Topic: Hints on future add-ons and licenses

Hello Fogwall: See, I'm sure this is a difficult question but eversince you released the wurly and rhody I just can't seem to stop wondering about the future. Let me rephrase it:
1. Now there are 2 official commercial addons. Can we expect more in the near future? Either way we get to
2. Is the wurly and rhody license "upgradeable" in the sense that whenever you release the next pqt version, are these instrument going to be updated also, so the price will involve not only the main software but also the addons right?
3. Or are those upgrades free for the addons only?
4. Can you hint something about the prospects for a new commercial addon package? (trick)

Maybe Im getting ahead of myself, But I just wondered about it...

Cheers

Guillermo
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Re: Hints on future add-ons and licenses

Hi Guillermo,

Answers to your questions:

1: Yes, definitely!
2-3: I cannot reveal any details yet regarding forthcoming versions or products. In any case, we will always apply a fair policy. Our sales conditions guarantee at minimum one year of free upgrades, from the date of first activation, to any release of the same product.
4: No hints, sorry. When we have something new to tell, we will announce it here and in the newsletter.

Regards,
Niclas

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A Steinway Add-on, to comercial realise, would be a great success.

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Beto-Music wrote:

A Steinway Add-on, to comercial realise, would be a great success.

The C3 is based on a steinway D!

guillaume wrote:

That is correct, a Steinway D has been carefully analysed during the construction of the C3 model!

From the Pianoteq 3 first impressions thread.

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Beto-Music wrote:

A Steinway Add-on, to comercial realise, would be a great success.

Hi Beto. I can only surmise that, to go from the piano and expand PTQ to the whole range of Chordophone instruments. Could you imagine a "fourth" generation koto in all its variants? Or perhaps a customizable Hurdy Gurdy?
There is a lot of ground to cover by just joining the dots in the grand picture that ptq math creates all around its core. Almost limitless all things considered and equal.

Of course: PTQ would need to change its name to something else. It would go waay beyond the piano to embrace many strange-exotic-ancient instruments that may not be available even in the samples world.
Oh... but I'm disgressing... am I?

Anyway... there's a wide terrain for harmless speculation...

Guillermo
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Hi mimoviz :-)

I'm speculating too ;- and to give the great Pianoteq people some hints and good ideas i will chime in here with some instruments i would like to see in the future:
Clavinet
Clavichord
Harp
Dulcimar (hammered)
Vibraphone
Xylophone
Marimba
Tubular Bells

Any other ideas...?

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olepro wrote:

Hi mimoviz :-)Any other ideas...?

Sitar
-would benefit greatly from sympathetic modeling as long as there is a way to velocity/other MIDI control a frequency envelope, sort of like a wah pedal or auto-wah effect.
And as a pitched percussion instrument already, there's a zillion & a half other possibilities including one of my favs, the tongue drum... not to mention the udu, my absolute fav.

"Downing a fifth results in diminished capacity."

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No, no. Just more pianos and more parameters for the user to control, please.

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BasC, I would like a Steinway-B add-on.

If Moddart create that, would sell a lot and so they would have more capital to invest in another instruments.

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Beto-Music wrote:

BasC, I would like a Steinway-B add-on.

If Moddart create that, would sell a lot and so they would have more capital to invest in another instruments.

Yep! That's the spirit Beto!!! I guess the we can go from a Steinway all the way to a Bosendorfer Imperial... but where does it end?
does it limit its amplitude with the cordophones? I think PTQ could evolve into a completely different kind of beast if they release the leash.... then we would be practically overwhelmed with sooo many options...

sometimes too much can be to little.... don't you agree?
 

Guillermo
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mimoviz wrote:

if they release the leash.... then we would be practically overwhelmed with sooo many options...


There is an old expression, "be careful of what you wish for".

Perhaps it applies here.

Let's not forget that the name is "Pianoteq", not Organteq, or Bellsteq, or Sitarteq.

When something (or someone) tries to be all things to everyone, they usually end up being nothing to no one.

Glenn

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Glenn NK wrote:

Let's not forget that the name is "Pianoteq", not Organteq, or Bellsteq, or Sitarteq.  When something (or someone) tries to be all things to everyone, they usually end up being nothing to no one.
Glenn

I agree.  I wasn't serious about the sitar, other than I might enjoy making a sitar fxp combined with external effects.  I hope the electric instruments aren't a tax on resources, because as far as I'm concerned, I just want a modeled acoustic piano with the rich imperfect idiosyncrasies of a real piano.

"Downing a fifth results in diminished capacity."

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My comments were not meant as criticism, but more in the humorous vein.

I would suggest that if the piano model can be tweaked (with fxp's) to produce other sounds, that's OK.

There are other instruments that generate sound in a manner very similar to the piano - the acoustic guitar comes to mind - as does the sitar.  A plucked bass would also fit into this model.

They all utilize strings that are struck rather than being bowed, the strings are attached to a bridge that is connected to a wooden sound board.

At the same time, I don't have any problems with the developers making a program called Bellsteq or whatever; but why encumber a piano modeling program with what I personally would consider extraneous stuff?

Glenn

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+1 for the Steinway B preset.

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Beto-Music wrote:

BasC, I would like a Steinway-B add-on.

Now that's just greedy!

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Well, the reason is that a Steinway-B it's soft and powerfull at the same time. I can't explain well in words, sorry.
The soft version of pianoteq models didn't get the same nice softness of a Steinway-B, but get a little fuggy sound.

I'm not complaining about pianoteq models, just expressing my admiration for the Steinway-B special soft sound .

BazC wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

BasC, I would like a Steinway-B add-on.

Now that's just greedy!

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I was only joking I'm not a connoisseur of Pianos so I wouldn't know a Steiway B if I was hit over the head with it but I'm sure I'd be pleased if it was added to Pianoteq!

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I wonder what gives the Steinway B it's distinctive sound? (It's the model used for the old Truan Steinway library that appears, with many fewer samples, in Garritan's small orchestra vsti and in the Art Vista piano vsti.)

It has a smaller body than a D, so it must have shorter strings, and it doesn't have as much growl or rumble. Beautiful sound, in any case. Lots of presence in the midrange.

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IMHO the Pianoteq crew should stick to modern piano sound design, not exotic  instruments that (almost) nobody plays. I say that because I presume many of us like to  u s e   the Pianoteq to really play and practice. Do I need to remind you that the PTQ  has a great competitor in Ivory, which still has the upper hand in the "fat-n-soft Steinway sound" department? However, I like PTQ more because of it's tweakability and incredible expression thanks to velocity control....beats sampled layers every time.

But could it actually be possible to put 2-3 instruments on top of each other and detune them a bit, so the sound gets thicker?

Thanks

Dan

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CuriousDan wrote:

But could it actually be possible to put 2-3 instruments on top of each other and detune them a bit, so the sound gets thicker?

Yes, use more instances of Pianoteq 3.

Hard work and guts!

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Clavichord would be great.

My father owns a real one. It is a very delicate instrument to play. It is "bebung" pressure sensitive. The sound is beautiful with a low volume, suitable for playing at late night without upsetting the neighbours. You have a direct contact with the strings, there is no mechanics between the keyboard and the strings, like in a piano.

So, how does one record a PTQ file ?

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BazC wrote:

I wouldn't know a Steiway B if I was hit over the head with it

You'd surely know afterwards though!!!

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Honestly I'm not very impressed with the situation here. There has hardly been any progress for a long time. I bought my copy of PT almost two years ago and there still hasn't been a major revision.

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

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rlburnside wrote:

Honestly I'm not very impressed with the situation here. There has hardly been any progress for a long time. I bought my copy of PT almost two years ago and there still hasn't been a major revision.

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

May I repectfully ask this question, how do you improve on something that is already almost perfect? Yes I agree that perfection is acheivable, and I strongly suspect that Modartt have not paused in pursuing this, but the callibre of this software is rarely surpassed! I assure you, I am very passionate about PianoTeq and am always extremely interested in anything that Modartt bring out, but I am awesomely impressed with the current version of the product and every day it impresses me more! I am convinced that PianoTeq 3's true beauty has not even yet been fully heard. There are so many variables that there will never be an identicle aural experience for the same person listening to the same recoding/sounds on exactly the same equipment with exactly the same environmental setup on two different occasions simply because we are creatures not machines, let alone all the miriad of different headphones, speakers, soundcards, keyboards etc., and the varying conditions of each of these!!!

I am working very hard at the moment with callibrating PianoTeq with my NUMA Nero keys. I have so far heard some amazing sounds from my system, but I'll personally not be satisfied until I have perfected my setup. Not that I am unsatisfied in any way, but my pusuit of perfection is based on my knowing it is acheivable and I shall not stop until I reach this ultimate goal.  Of course we all have differing tastes, but perfection is perfection in anybody's language! I may not be particularly interested in the latest prototype sports car, but I can certainly appreciate it's quality (or not).

My point? I understand where you are coming from in your desire to see, or rather hear even greater things from PianoTeq - your pursuit of perfection if you will, but my God, PianoTeq 3 is almost the 'K9's testicles'!

In the mean time, I will keep posting, as will all of us loyal posters. We have much to enjoy,

warm regards,

Chris

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rlburnside wrote:

Honestly I'm not very impressed with the situation here. There has hardly been any progress for a long time. I bought my copy of PT almost two years ago and there still hasn't been a major revision.

At least release some new pianos or something. FXP tweaking only goes so far.

Patience always pays off, rest assured

Hard work and guts!

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My wish no.1
Develop the CP-80 model to a full-scale instrument, then adding the pickup and ampli emulations (you can overdrive the sound!),as well as built in EQ and Tremolo, like it was on the original;  then having it as a commercial add-on; I'm not so sure that people doesn't need something like that...
;-)

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How about Modartt simply sticks to soley percussive/keyboard/chromatic instruments?

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sigasa wrote:

How about Modartt simply sticks to soley percussive/keyboard/chromatic instruments?

I always thought they could do a rather good acoustic guitar instrument. In fact, they could probably do just about any string/body instrument based on their modelling. Or why even limit it to that...their whole resonance/sound speed model could be applied to virtual wind instruments, no?

Maybe they could do a good virtual analog synth too

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johnrule wrote:
sigasa wrote:

How about Modartt simply sticks to soley percussive/keyboard/chromatic instruments?

I always thought they could do a rather good acoustic guitar instrument. In fact, they could probably do just about any string/body instrument based on their modelling. Or why even limit it to that...their whole resonance/sound speed model could be applied to virtual wind instruments, no?

Maybe they could do a good virtual analog synth too

John:

I think the biggest problem with instruments like horns and guitars is that the sound can be greatly affected by human touch.

A guitarist can vary the sound by varying the pressure on the frets (pitch bends come to mind first).  And as someone else pointed out elsewhere, different strings can produce the same pitch, albeit with a quite different timbre.

Horns (particularly the trombone) can vary pitch considerably (pitch bends), and the tone from any of the wind instruments is either the result of human lips (trumpet) or the way human lips control the reed (sax, clarinet, etc).

Then there is the way the horns can change volume and tone throughout the duration of a single note.

My DP can produce some realistic sounding continuous sax tones, but there is little if any intonation, and the sound level is very static.

To realistically model these instruments, the controller must mimic the human touch; at difficult task at best.

Glenn

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Glenn NK wrote:

To realistically model these instruments, the controller must mimic the human touch; at difficult task at best.

Yes, it is difficult...especially live. However, if we eliminate some of the 'organic' sounds like breath, aperture noise, bow noise, finger noise, etc. we have fewer parameters to imitate. What's left? Tone, color, vibrato, dynamics, etc. which can be controlled from mod-wheel, pressure, velocity, etc. It's still just as expressive...just not as "authentic" for some.

Some of the heated arguments on this forum are about such characteristics that are missing from Pianoteq, and I say that is fine. As long as it is dynamic/responsive  to the point of becoming an extension of my expressiveness, I have no complaints. However, it is comforting to hear things like hammer strike, damper pedal, string resonance...organic sounds. But who is that for? Is it for the audience or the performer?