Topic: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Hi,
I'm new to virtual pianos and since I got tired of never-ending chase for hardware digital keyboards with good piano sounds I thought about trying pianoteq.
I need advise on getting some good portable weighted controller up to 61 keys.
I was thinking about studiologic vmk-161 hammer action 61 keys which sounds like a great idea but reading here in this forum bout numa nero problems I'm having seconds thoughts. It doesn't have to be hammer action but at least weighted with good feel for playing jazz piano.

Another question is do I have to have some audio/midi interface for my laptop?
I was thinking about V-STUDIO 100 because I'd like to be able record some performances as well.

thanks

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

http://www.akaipro.com/mpk61

Check the reviews on this one. It has a good hammer action keybed, is very well built and the electronics/sensors (as far as I can ascertain) are reliable.

But if your after as close a feel to a real piano action, the only other contender is indeed the Fatar/Studiologic VMK.

Actually, I have a NUMA Nero (Studiologic). I opened it up for the first time last Wednesday and found that it is truly well built and designed. The electrinoics are prestine also. I am convinced that the one and only thing that lets these keyboards down is their antiquated sensor strips. The PCB circuit boards are well contructed, put together and soldered and the thought that has gone into the design and contructions of these keys is noteworthy.

For me, my solution is to put a PNOscan strip into the NUMA Nero to replace the factory strip.

Hope you find your perfect 61 key board

Regards,

Chris

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

thanks Sigasa,
akai mpk61 does not have hammer action keybed, mpk88 does.
I've tried it in GC and it's acceptable but not that great.

Do you know all studiologic keyboards have the ribbon strip problem?
That61 keys hammer action vmk-161 is tempting but it's a little heavy...15kg (33lb) 
Do you connect your numa directly to laptop or through some interface?

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

I believe all Fatar keyboards incorporate the same sensor strip. If not, I really would like to know!!!

I can connect either through USB or midi cables to an interface. When I connect with USB I don't need external power to my NUMA Nero. Many people think this is the best hammer action keybed available at the moment (TP40 WOOD) other than the real deal. Also a fair number of people over various forums I've found have thought of, enquired into or are using the TP40 WOOD to build their own keyboards. I can confirm how well designed an built this keybed is. Of course, Fatar have been designing and producing keybeds for years, so they've had good practice and experience. I believe it's actually 30yrs! And to add to that, Nord, Kurzweil, Gem, and other top name keyboard manufacturers incorporate Fatar keybeds in their boards. And some of those use soley Fatar (Nord for example).

I think my only preferred alternative to replacing the existing Fatar factory silicone sensor strip within my NUMA Nero with the PNOscan Optical Midi Sensor Strip would be either to buy the Petrof Midi Controller Keyboard (Price!!!!!!! I don't think so!!!!!!!) or buying a Keybed and Renner action AND the PNOscan strip (Price!!!!!!! I don't think so either!!!!!!!).

I think I'll just stick with the TP40 WOOD in NUMA Nero shell!!!

Last edited by sigasa (17-07-2011 17:01)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:

Do you know all studiologic keyboards have the ribbon strip problem?
That61 keys hammer action vmk-161 is tempting but it's a little heavy...15kg (33lb) 
Do you connect your numa directly to laptop or through some interface?

It's quite possible that all the Studiologics have the same sensor strips, but the several older Fatar keyboards (Studio series, not Studiologic) that I've owned never had velocity problems or sustain pedal problems. A tech told me one time that the earlier Fatar's used precious metal contacts. It's a tradeoff however, since the earlier actions weren't as good as the newer ones, although they weren't bad, just a bit clunky IMO.

Last edited by Michael H (17-07-2011 18:03)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:

thanks Sigasa,
akai mpk61 does not have hammer action keybed, mpk88 does.
I've tried it in GC and it's acceptable but not that great.

Do you know all studiologic keyboards have the ribbon strip problem?
That61 keys hammer action vmk-161 is tempting but it's a little heavy...15kg (33lb) 
Do you connect your numa directly to laptop or through some interface?

I disagree with Sigasa that the Nero problems are with the sensor strips. The sensor strips are merely contact switches. This is rock solid, decades old technology. I have the Studiologic SL990xp with the same sensor strip and have no issues whatsoever. I use it in "dumb"  mode, I don't use any of the midi controls, just plug it in and play.

Heavy is the price you pay for quality action. My SL990 has _very_ good action. The keybed alone weighs about twice what the keybeds on entry level boards like the Korg SP-170 or Casio PX130 wiegh. The Nero has superb action. It weighs about 10LB more than mine. It is the same mechanism but with solid keys and heavier counterweights to compensate.

For Pianoteq all you need is the best action you can get with a controller that does nothing but send midi signals on channel 1. 61 keys don't cut it, you lose all that hunky bass. 73 minimum.

For a laptop, if your keyboard does not have USB, you need a midi to USB converter. I paid $50 for a Cakewalk unit, a friend spent less than $10 for one that works just as well but requires a midi cable.

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Tinknocker wrote:

For a laptop, if your keyboard does not have USB, you need a midi to USB converter. I paid $50 for a Cakewalk unit, a friend spent less than $10 for one that works just as well but requires a midi cable.

no latency problem etc? what requirements laptop sound card has to have?

BTW, wouldn't be actually cheaper to buy a casio privia PX-130 ? I have tried it in GC,
great hammer 88keys action, very good piano sound, light! 22lb only. It's lighter then
vmk-161 61 keys! how they did it???

Last edited by robson (17-07-2011 21:40)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:
Tinknocker wrote:

For a laptop, if your keyboard does not have USB, you need a midi to USB converter. I paid $50 for a Cakewalk unit, a friend spent less than $10 for one that works just as well but requires a midi cable.

no latency problem etc? what requirements laptop sound card has to have?

Latency is a kettle of worms.  Don't look at the numbers. Latency is normal in an acoustic piano, there is a small lag between the key press and the hammer strike. I have Pianoteq set to 10.3ms. Around 15ms I can detect the latency, at 20ms it is noticeable, over that it becomes annoying. Be aware that Pianoteq can only measure it's own latency, not that of the keyboard or your sound card. Try out what you have first. I have used a USB PCM sound card on my laptops and there is a very slight decrease in overall latency. Most important is the processor and bus speed of the laptop. If you're using Windows you need the Asio4All drivers. Try the Pianoteq demo and see how it works on your system clicking on the virtual keyboard.

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Sorry , but I'm playng my numa nero since 6 months without any problem.

maybe the only one keyboard fine.

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

paolopiano wrote:

Sorry , but I'm playng my numa nero since 6 months without any problem.

maybe the only one keyboard fine.

No need to apologise, this is good news!!!

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

sigasa wrote:
paolopiano wrote:

Sorry , but I'm playng my numa nero since 6 months without any problem.

maybe the only one keyboard fine.

No need to apologise, this is good news!!!

lol

this is my set up:

Numa nero to laptop via usb
Fast track pro to laptop via usb
no power adaptor to numa ( the power is provided from usb)
Audio monitor and laptop are suited 60cm from numa.
I'm playng pianoteq std in standalone mode.

Hope this can help some one

..... apologize for my bad english not for my good numa....

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

paolopiano wrote:

this is my set up:

Numa nero to laptop via usb
Fast track pro to laptop via usb
no power adaptor to numa ( the power is provided from usb)
Audio monitor and laptop are suited 60cm from numa.
I'm playng pianoteq std in standalone mode.

and laptop is connected finally to??? through line-out???
In mine there is no lin-out just the headphones...

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:

and laptop is connected finally to??? through line-out???
In mine there is no lin-out just the headphones...

Use headphone line out to speakers.

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

You asked about a portable controller keyboard :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6jgMuZyrmk

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:
paolopiano wrote:

this is my set up:

Numa nero to laptop via usb
Fast track pro to laptop via usb
no power adaptor to numa ( the power is provided from usb)
Audio monitor and laptop are suited 60cm from numa.
I'm playng pianoteq std in standalone mode.

and laptop is connected finally to??? through line-out???
In mine there is no lin-out just the headphones...

Sorry , line out  from fast track pro (external sound card) to monitors

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

one more vote for the Casio Privia (mine is PX320): line in for audio, USB for MIDI, very light, reasonably good keyboard (not comparable to a Steinway D however!), not expensive, and even a decent piano sound on board just in case you have no laptop (= no PTQ) at hand. I just went on tour with this one and it wasn't too hard not having a real piano...

Want something really, really portable?
http://www.logilink.com/showproduct/UA0104.htm

OK just a joke ;-)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

olepro wrote:

You asked about a portable controller keyboard :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6jgMuZyrmk

Read some of the reviews on this VAX77 ... seems to be a really well-done keyboard, with the fact that it folds for transport to be just a nice side-benefit.  I've been following it's development for more than a year, and it seems they've matured the product into a very technically solid, high-performing product.

I'm considering ...

Last edited by DanCornett (21-07-2011 16:56)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

olepro wrote:

You asked about a portable controller keyboard :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6jgMuZyrmk

looks really great and portable but for that price ???
I'd rather buy stage piano for that money...
besides I heard opinions that action is not that great after all.

I am considering very seriously VMK-161 hammer action although it's freaking heavy...

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Probably someone else has said this before, but you're limiting your choices bigtime if you insist on 61 keys.
A full size 88 key weighted action Casio weighs less than the 61 key Studiologic VMK-61.

Last edited by Michael H (11-08-2011 04:11)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Michael H wrote:

You're limiting your choices severely if you require 61 keys only. The full size casio's weigh less than the 61 key VMK-61.

I know, but unfortunately I travel a lot, flying etc. 88keys no way I can drag with me because of the size... At home I have roland RD700GX 88 keys stage piano with hammer action, ivory fell etc

Also, only classical pieces requires constant use of full keyboard range, practicing or playing jazz etc not really.

Last edited by robson (11-08-2011 04:10)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

I recently picked up the new Yamaha NP-11 digital piano that sells for $149 just for small gigs, non-weighted though

Since it's midi, I just add a midi to USB adapter and I can use Pianoteq.

Last edited by Michael H (11-08-2011 04:19)

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

Michael H wrote:

I recently picked up the new Yamaha NP-11 digital piano that sells for $149 just for small gigs, non-weighted though

Since it's midi, I just add a midi to USB adapter and I can use Pianoteq.

you ca play piano on non weighted keyboard???

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

robson wrote:
Michael H wrote:

I recently picked up the new Yamaha NP-11 digital piano that sells for $149 just for small gigs, non-weighted though

Since it's midi, I just add a midi to USB adapter and I can use Pianoteq.

you ca play piano on non weighted keyboard???

Why not? It's not as pleasant, and it's not going to teach you piano technique if you don't have it already, but if you can adjust the velocity curve so you can play more naturally (Pianoteq allows for vcurve adjustments), then it's doable, although I wouldn't want to do it all the time.

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

still looking and actually changed my mind and won't get vmk-61,
too big and heavy. NP-11 too long because of speakers, don't need them.

Thinking now about novation nocturn 49:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Novation-No...1476611.gc

anybody tried this board or 61 version?

Re: portable keyboard and midi interface recommendation for pianoteq?

just tested and bought it novation nocturn 49 controller and I'm happy so far.
Very nice "fast fatar" keys much longer then many more expensive controllers or keyboards.

http://c1488.r88.cf3.rackcdn.com/786658711_Overview1.jpg

Last edited by robson (24-08-2011 19:17)