Studiologic Numa Nero

I've just had my Nero delivered yesterday morning. I've been using the 'You Play' system to generate automatic curves. I will have a go at making my own velocity curve in pianoteq shortly. I will use the hard touch preset on the Nero as anything softer reaches 127 much to early. I hope to post my results soon.

I still do not know how to install the driver for the NUMA Nero on my PC. I have the driver text, but don't know what to do with it!!! Therefore, as yet I am unable to post a patch containing the You Play curve because I cannot transfer it to my PC until the driver for the NUMA Nero is installed.

However, as regards your request for a PianoTeq curve for the NUMA Nero, to be honest, I don't use one!!! I just use the default linear curve (straight line!). I find that if I use You Play to create the curve within the Numa Nero and the 'straight' curve in PianoTeq, it works absolutely fine. What you will have to do however is adjust the Dynamic setting in PianoTeq to your liking after having created the You Play curve in the NUMA Nero.

What is interesting about the factory default curves in the NUMA Nero, i.e. sot/med/hard, is that they produce a different global velocity curve for the white notes than for the black notes so that the black notes are quieter than the white notes! This problem is solved using the You Play utility and selecting (and saving) the resultant curve shapes.

regards,

Chris

OK. I've found a very playable curve.

First I created a custom curve in the NUMA Nero using You Play.

Then I adjusted the PianoTeq linear curve accordingly        Velocity = [12, 127; 0, 127]

The following settings are used in PianoTeq         Dynamics 57

I also have the volume compensation enabled in the recording settings page of PianoTeq

I adjusedt PianoTeq volume till it felt right under the fingers

I suggest you create a custom curve on the Nero and adjust Dynamics to suit

Chris

Hi Chris,

many thanks for your contribution to this thread and for notifying me. It has been a while since I made the initial post und wasn't really expecting a reply anymore, so I have'nt been around often lately.
The piano not being my principal instrument I felt a little unsure whether the 'You Play'-functionality of the Numa would deliver realistic velocity settings for me. So I decided to use the 'medium' velocity preset and just adjust the velocity curve in pianoteq to [13, 127; 0, 127] (as I like to be able to touch a key without hearing anything and the lowest velocity value that the Numa triggers being 12). This has felt comfortable for me so far and I use it mainly for playing the C3 Close Mic, which I like very much cos' of its presence and very pleasant intonation.
Thanks for your effort in finding settings that are possibly more suitable. I'll try them out and check whether the Numa gets even better!!

Many greetings out of of Germany!

Hello again Chris,

this is very kind of you helping me optimize the curve in conjunction with the 'C3 Close Mic', thank you!
I have just tried your suggestion with a dynamic value of 57 with the result that I do hear a difference and it is very good! I don't think it's me imagining something that's not there. The C3 now has some kind of tonal quality that makes it more elegant and sounding closer to the real thing. As there hab been something obfuscating some of its realistic sound properties that now has been removed. But who knows, could just be me making up something not happening.

I'm very grateful for any advice that makes the pianoteq even a greater experience!

Thanks and best regards!

here's a demo smar

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...r_smar.mp3

regards,

Chris

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details...ckup_1.RES

Here is a patch backup file for NUMA Nero containing the best Nero Velocity Curve I have made using 'You Play' to date.

I use it with the following .fxp

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details...atch_1.fxp

Hope this helps

Hi SMAR,

I'm pleased you managed to load the patch. Now you also have the same operating system loaded onto your Nero as mine has.

Now, here's a demo of the latest .fxp revision  (C3 Close Mic for SMAR 28-04-2011.fxp)

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...4-2011.mp3

This has a straight (linear) curve rather than a 'mountain' type. I was getting to many irregular velocities (due to my playing, not the Nero) with the 'mountain type curve, and have found these to be smoothed out using a linear curve.

The adjustments to the Default C3 Close Mic Preset are as follows;

Volume -3 (adjust to taste)

Dynamics 59

Velocity = [14, 127; 3, 127]
(as you prefer silence at the ppp end, adjust accordingly. However, in doing so, you may wish to also adjust the dynamics slightly)

Volume Compensation  enabled

Delay Compensation     enabled

Reverb Preset               Concert Audience

I also want to mention the fact that I really think the Play Mode most faithful to a real piano is the Staccato Play Mode. I didn't use this on the demo, but in future demos I shall. I think we should use identicle settings on each Nero for uniformity purposes.
NOTE: the patch I gave the link to uses 'Dynamic play mode' rather than 'Staccato Play Mode'. Let me know which one you like the most if you will.

Kind Regards,

Chris

Hi Matt

First, congratulations on your new Numa Nero. Setting up your controller to your ultimate liking is crucial in enjoying the wonderful touch and expressivety of the Nero. I will do what I can in assisting you to achieve this.

Now regards the minimum velocity of 12 for white keys - slightly less for black, although I don't remember off hand the exaxct figure - I use a this velocity curve in pianoteq to compensate

Velocity = [14, 127; 3, 127]

(you can Copy and Paste into Velocity UI)

There may not be a way to adjust the minimum velocity produced by the Nero, at least I do not know of one. I believe there is free software available that will convert the velocities produced by the Nero to whatever you wish, I will have to check that out (I think there may already have been mention of these on the pianoteq forum somewhere?).

I would strongly suggest using the patch that I created suing the 'You Play' feature of the Nero. With the velocity curve it contains, I am able to get an exceptional dynamic range. I  set pianoteq's Dynamics to 62. It is very expressive. I'll post a demo shortly exhibiting this.
Visit http://www.studiologic-music.com/ and download support software for your Nero if you haven't already and you will be able to load the following from your PC to your Nero

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details...ckup_1.RES

This will mean that our velocity curves will match and therefore enable us to better achieve a uniform result.

Please feel free to ask any further questions. I am happy to be of help if I can,

warm regards,

Chris

Hi Chris,

Thanks very much for getting back to me so quickly. I have downloaded your .RES file but can not see how I can install this into the Nero. I have the NumaOnLine program installed and have updated to the 1.7OS.

Many thanks for your help,

Matt

Hi Smar and Matt

Matt

Create a folder on your desktop and call it

ResourcesBackup

Then put the .RES file in it

Then open the NumaOnLine software

The .RES file should now show up in the bottom white section entitled 'On PC Resources'

Then simply make sure your Nero and PC are connected and talking to one another
via VCom and in the NumaOnLine software, click 'restore resources' at the bottom section on the left. This will load the file onto your Nero.

All that's left to do then is to switch off your Nero, and then switch it on again.

Done

Hope this helps.

Smar, I don't know whether or not you got my request, but I have since worked out how to do it as you can see above.

Forgive me if I inconvenienced you.

Regards to you both,

Chris

I realised yesterday that the lowest velocity achieveable with my latest YouPlay curve (see PnoTeq1.RES) is #8 for BOTH black AND white keys. The velocities being identicle means that I don't have to raise an initial horizontal line before the angle to cover the variation in lowest velocities between black and white notes. In other words, had they not been the same, and I set the curve to start at the highest of the lowest velocities, the lower of the lowest velocities would not sound. That is why I had to raise the bar to allow both of the variant lowest velocities to sound evenly. Now that I have an uniform #8 lowest velocity I have set a linear curve as follows;

Velocity = [6, 127; 0, 127]

I am still working on finding the best dynamics # for use with this, but it is close to the presets original dynamics #'s

I will post a demo in few minutes

The following gives a quiter lowest velocity (if you don't want silence at the lower end)

Velocity = [7, 127; 0, 127]

Should you want silence use this one

Velocity = [8, 127; 0, 127]

Both are for use with the PnoTeq1.RES file three posts back

I will see if I can find a .RES file editor on the internet and if so, post info.

Kind Regards,

Chris

Velocity = [6, 19, 34, 87, 100, 112, 127; 0, 11, 29, 98, 113, 123, 127]

A departure from the linear curve

See what you think

Regards,

Chris