Topic: Do you think piano people are nicer ?

Just a curiosity, but I have noticed that people around piano thematic, on internet, looks better people, nicer, more kind, share more, diplomatic, cooperative, while many other themes on web have a lot of crazy aggressive people.

In foruns, on youtube, I see many nice people when it's about piano. People who kindly reply and share information.
In this forum I have never presenced a fight, or a moment of violence of someone to anybody. While in other foruns with other thematic...

Uhhnn...  I ask why...

Please let me know what you think about.

Is the piano relaxing effect or the dicipline this instrument require ?  Or maybe piano attract better people in these terms ?

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I know what you mean! I don't know why either!

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Very interesting observation!
I'm not sure, but maybe one could say this generally about musicians?!?
(I don't know, though, I haven't been much round bassists' forums so far... )

Anyway, let's start a fight about this...

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That's funny Wolfgang!

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From my experience, some open music forums (other than this one and perhaps one dealing specifically with my soundcard) are not terribly nice places at times.

I won't name one forum I spent much time on a few years ago (it deals with the software products of one company) but one reason I don't go there is because there is too much sarcasm and at times open hostility.  I was there yesterday and again today, and one of the hot topics is "does anyone know who this is suggesting suicide?"  Nice eh?  (btw, I rephrased the title so as to make it hard to trace).

I am registered with seven music forums and ten photography forums.  Pianoteq is easily the most well behaved and civil forum of the bunch.  And the photo forums are OK for the most part.

No, musicians can be a nasty bunch - too many egos perhaps.

Pianists don't have egos - do we?

Glenn

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Glenn NK wrote:

Pianists don't have egos - do we?

Glenn

No... otherwise we'd be singers...

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Well, I refered about piano people, pianists and persons who try to play despite be not a pianist itself.

About musicians in general,  uhhnnn...  It makes remamber the music school I used to went.  There was a very gossipy teacher who use tell the dark side of all his fellows, like who played horrible, who was the bitches, the freaks, the fakes. 
There was history about a violinist teacher who attack a pianist teacher by taking his neck, after drunk too much, cause the pianist would not aloow hin play drunk in a wending.  The violinist'class was weird, he was a angry guy, and his students looked like sexual abused kids, like had fear of hin or something.
Once I politely approached hin and asked about difference in nomenclature, since violin is called violin in classic field, and it's called fiddle in country music, and he replied with a sarcastic face:  "I don't know and I don't want to know."

Anyway many people hide their sarcastic side in usual day byday life, but internet removes the veil by giving a mask.  On internet people are thousands miles away, have a "security mask" and feel free to show a side they would not show in general (remove the veil).  If someone is nice he will be even nicer without fear. But if someone is hostile, envy, or paranoiac, he will reveil this dark side too.


On Youtube I see all the time how people can be hostile just for pleasure, or to relieve frustration.  People who appears from nothing and start to offend you like a devil.  Lost generation ???
But when the thematic it's piano, I get surprised how people are better, kind, nicer.


Well, I never searched much about singers...   :-)

Last edited by Beto-Music (11-01-2011 17:27)

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It's because, that to become a good piano player U must have a lot of practising - work . Human is beautiful when he works . ( & it is most about ladies )))) ) Think about that carefully , look around & U will understand , what I mean .

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Shumas wrote:

It's because, that to become a good piano player U must have a lot of practising - work . Human is beautiful when he works . ( & it is most about ladies )))) ) Think about that carefully , look around & U will understand , what I mean .

good analogy shumas...

no matter what style music you like, when you play the piano you still have to be "musical".  you can't fake it like you can with crunch style/ heavy metal guitar playing- where distortion and speed are more important than musicality.  the piano can be very unforgiving to those who step outside their own talents to show off.  it is a very complex instrument.

so i think the pursuit of that wonderful sound helps lift all of us from our own pettiness and prejudices.  Piano knows no politics- there are no words to hide behind, no clever message to obscure the poor voice or poor melody.  its just the music your fingers and your mind produces.  it must stand on its own.

I have tremendous respect for those who play violins, horns, etc.  but in reality they usually must depend on others to complete their "music".  a pianist can be a true soloist, can express the melody and the harmony himself, point and counterpart all on his own, can truly expose his soul to others with no one else to protect him or prop him up.  that isn't easy, and i think we all respect that, and we all respect others who sense the beauty in that, no matter how "different" they may be from us as individuals...

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boehnbr wrote:

(...) no matter what style music you like, when you play the piano you still have to be "musical". (...) its just the music your fingers and your mind produces.  it must stand on its own.

I have tremendous respect for those who play violins, horns, etc.  but in reality they usually must depend on others to complete their "music".  a pianist can be a true soloist, can express the melody and the harmony himself, point and counterpart all on his own, can truly expose his soul to others with no one else to protect him or prop him up.

That's what I think. Probably this is true for organs as well, especially bigger pipe organs for their dynamic range. Pianos and pipe organs have got the note range, the chords, the dynamics, and they force the player to do it all by themselves.
This doesn't mean there are no other musicians that are nice (-:

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Shumas wrote:

( & it is most about ladies )))) ) Think about that carefully , look around & U will understand , what I mean .

Exactly. This reminds me of an brilliant little routine that Seinfeld did about how ladies impress the men, and how men impress the ladies. The ladies can do all kinds of things to make themselves look attractive. However, the men can't do much at all, so they have to go to great lengths to try and get the ladies' attention, such as building the tallest building, or going to the moon, etc. ;^) "Look - I designed that building - me!"  I guess we can include piano playing, however that didn't get a mention. ;^)

Greg.

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wolfgang wrote:
Glenn NK wrote:

Pianists don't have egos - do we?

Glenn

No... otherwise we'd be singers...

LOL! Ain't it the truth!

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Well, who would expect that Susan Boyle, the short chubby middle age lady, with a friendly smile and beautiful voice&talent, would react that way when she lost the competition.


Michael H wrote:
wolfgang wrote:
Glenn NK wrote:

Pianists don't have egos - do we?

Glenn

No... otherwise we'd be singers...

LOL! Ain't it the truth!

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Well, it depends on the people, not on the instruments, lol


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Re: Do you think piano people are nicer ?

Surely, it always depends on the people.

However, I insist that, generally, there is a certain tendency...

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You could just...    :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPCUDAF0bVY

And say:    "I rest my case"

wolfgang wrote:

Surely, it always depends on the people.

However, I insist that, generally, there is a certain tendency...

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LOL

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This is a ridiculous premise. I'm sure there were plenty of gas chamber operators who went home to play Bach or Chopin to their kids at night. Musical ability or the love of beautiful things doesn't in any way make you  more moral. I can show you thousands of examples disproving that hypothesis, as any intelligent person could.

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rlburnside wrote:

This is a ridiculous premise. I'm sure there were plenty of gas chamber operators who went home to play Bach or Chopin to their kids at night. Musical ability or the love of beautiful things doesn't in any way make you  more moral. I can show you thousands of examples disproving that hypothesis, as any intelligent person could.

Either you are right and there were no intelligent people here before, or you are right because what you said wasn't nice although you play the piano...
Seriously, I think we didn't talk about moral until now. The embodiment of evil, Hitler, loved children (at least if they met his sick ideas of race), and when he played with them, they would have called him nice. The world is full of people doing monstrous things but who are nice to others who don't suffer from what they do.
Finally let me say I'm sure nobody here thinks the postulation contained in the headline is valid for everybody.
So you are right about the absence of any correlation between playing the piano and moral, but this is just an incidental remark, if not off-topic, and doesn't prove people who play the piano are not nicer.
Have an, um, nice day!

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Yeah, maybe it's my bad for equating "niceness" with having a genuinely good nature.

Personality can be quite superficial, ever hear of "southern hospitality?" All sorts of people are "nice" until you cross them, or aren't the right colour or belong to the wrong political affiliation. I think we'd be a lot better off by judging people based on character rather than pithy social mores that are -- as often  as not -- a fraudulent and misleading way for greedy, selfish, or even downright evil people, to get in your good graces. I'm very suspicious of when people are too nice, I'd rather they were real.

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Deep discussion...  near philosophic...

Well, I started about NICE  as the day by day perception, the kindness when we approuch someone, based in this forum usual good relations, and youtube relations in videos about piano.

Well... morals can be quite relative. Remamber that a hero one one people or some era is the butcher of other.  A gaz chamber operator may believe he is protecting society and childrens, when he execute a serial killer or serial raper, just like a cop or a soldier may think.

I will not enter much in wars and leaders, but humanity usually wasn't educated to think very cleary, but to follow, to take a idea that was imposed since childhood. Patriotism and religions are often like that.

The brain have a strange capability of split moral to different standarts of judment in a person. Someone can perfectly coherently judge something of day by day, like that is right take the newspaper and pay for it, or allow a elder fragile person to get the seat in a bus, or that women can also eat cake. 
But when politics, patriotism and religion take comand...   The nice sence of right & wrong and justice get distorted, and people may steal or do not sell a nespaper for someone of some ethnic, or maybe reserve the bus seats for only people of some color, or make of his own wife a meatcake if she do not honor hin as his master.

If you will judge every prejudice as pure evil, you will need to consider your ancestors a bunch of &*@%$#*/¨$!=.   Culture and society, in terms of rationality was really such bunch.
You could built a time machine, get a three dozens of High end war planes, a lot of digital laser guided missiles, and bomb your grand-grand-grand-grand-grand... fathers for the invasion, killing and torture of natives they did in colonies, and for the sexism against women.

Now imagine the world as today, with the values of today about justice.  Do you think is okey, acceptable? 
Well...  wait 200 years to find out what people in future will think of civilization and values of today.

Well, where piano fits in all this ???
Maybe piano can make the favor of sent most of the sickness away, at least when working on the music, playing, studing. Make the favor of forget someones color, politics, nationality, religion, and just talk about the music.  Makes the favor of send the irrationality away at least for some time, as concentrates the mind's effort in the logic.
Maybe it's this exercise that makes piano people nicer, or at least polished...


Yeah, ok... I have to accept that sometimes some people are just being polished. 
Like a british joke:

In a duel a man confuses his pistol with a sprinkler, making his opponent completely wet and ridiculous. Embarrassed, he says:

_I'm deeply sorry Sr. Believe me, I would never dare to wet you this way. I was just trying to kill you.

Last edited by Beto-Music (07-03-2011 02:00)