I mean, Xylo....... cool. Wish it included a down-loadable Marimba Lumina! Nice to have these available. Still rather have more built in post-processing effect options on the existing pianos if VST support in the standalone is out of the question.
Well I guess given enough time , any virtual instrument will slowly evolve into a huge and bloated multi-purpose application featuring a scriptable multitrack sequencer, plugins support, voice chat and facebook integration. But we are not yet ready for that
If you were to make a list of these missing effects in pianoteq, what would they be ? (by order of importance)
Well I guess given enough time , any virtual instrument will slowly evolve into a huge and bloated multi-purpose application featuring a scriptable multitrack sequencer, plugins support, voice chat and facebook integration. But we are not yet ready for that
If you were to make a list of these missing effects in pianoteq, what would they be ? (by order of importance)
No no no... I don't want a bloated Pianoteq -just a smidge rubenesque. I could even do without the existing MIDI recorder. I just think that some of the so-called "wood" and "cabinet" and "thunderous bass" requests could be solved more readily with some multi-tap delay, subtle multi-band tube style distortion, even phase shifting and flanging. It's MHO that the cabinet, particularly in your more cranky uprights, actually impart these effects on the pure string sound. So why waste CPU and programming time & effort trying to model these effects? Pianoteq is already blessed with tremolo, wah-wah, reverberation and a limiter. OK... so in order of preference add: multi-band tube distortion*, multi-tap delay, flange and phase shifting. And then if there's room, a coffee bean grinder on a timer.
*by multi-band distortion I mean of course distortion that can be applied independently to different frequency ranges.
If you were to make a list of these missing effects in pianoteq, what would they be ? (by order of importance)
Let's think efficient. Have a few effects, but each effect can actually BE one out of several. See what I mean...
For example, we could have a Chorus. It could also double as a Flanger (adding Feedback as a parameter). And a third mode would be Phaser. So, we would use only one slot in the Effects window, but hidden underneath there would be a switch which would change the effect modes. Of course, upon closing the effect editing panel, the button would change name as well.
Wah-wah... That one is almost on its own, I can't think of a second effect which is related to it. Perhaps a talkbox effect? Would probably work a treat on EPs.
Tremolo should be switchable between Tremolo and Panner.
Limiter should be switchable between Compressor/Expander and Limiter.
Reverb(eration) should be switchable between the current, algorithmic engine, and a new convolution engine, capable of loading multichannel impulses. This is actually GREAT for cabinet simulation as well!
That would be it. Although delay could be sweet, I'm not sure how much it would actually be used.
See, I'm thinking ahead and envisioning a simpler interface gathering several effects of the similar conviction, to only one window!
Well I guess given enough time , any virtual instrument will slowly evolve into a huge and bloated multi-purpose application featuring a scriptable multitrack sequencer, plugins support, voice chat and facebook integration. But we are not yet ready for that
If you were to make a list of these missing effects in pianoteq, what would they be ? (by order of importance)
Julien,
I expect that you're letting yourself in for some really interesting requests here
I'll suggest an effect that I think might be the easiest to implement, and very useful- ** a full-featured EQ**, ideally a dual 31-band version.
This would make it possible, in effect, to tune individual sound systems for Pianoteq without the need for other gear. I think that would be a big benefit. Just my two cents.
And I love the idea of a real stereo chorus, especially for the electric piano addon.
Regards,
Michael
That would be it. Although delay could be sweet, I'm not sure how much it would actually be used.
See, I'm thinking ahead and envisioning a simpler interface gathering several effects of the similar conviction, to only one window!
Evil -I agree about the combining when the effects are related, but I feel you might be under-estimating the value of the distortion and delay. I'm talking about a subtle fast multi-tap (though you could get experimental) and multi-band third harmonic distortion that can be applied to the frequency bands of your choice without affecting those that you want to remain pure. And of special note -if velocity could be used as an input parameter to control the level of delay & distortion, then you'd really have something. Maybe not something for everybody, but I'm not talking here about destroying the beautiful sound of the acoustic piano (unless you want to) but rather about adding some body and meat.. and maybe some soy.
Actually a great stompbox overdrive/distortion could do good for EPs, you're right. And while we're at it, a tape delay wouldn't be amiss.
Love the idea of velocity modulating parameters, not just using CCs as modulation.
As a sound engineer I miss a very simple feature on existing eq and maybe in general spectrum profile section but rather important: a bypass switch!
The only useful way I have now to compare eqed sound with flat sound is to put the same preset in A e B memory slots.
cheers
Personally, I'd hate to see Modartt spending time developing extras that would only be used occasionally, by a few people.
IMO the time is better spent on piano development. I can't wait to see what they come up with next in that area
Personally, I'd hate to see Modartt spending time developing extras that would only be used occasionally, by a few people.
IMO the time is better spent on piano development. I can't wait to see what they come up with next in that area
Agreed, hopefully Modartt has something really, really good for the next major release . A user at Piano World has some samples posted up from Ivory II and it sounds very nice. Ivory can't match PT's flexibility but I just want a deep, woody acoustic sounding grand. The K1 was definitely a step in the right direction, but it isn't there yet, not for me anyway.
Personally, I'd hate to see Modartt spending time developing extras that would only be used occasionally, by a few people.
IMO the time is better spent on piano development. I can't wait to see what they come up with next in that area
Not sure if by extras you mean the Add-Ons or post effects. Post processing can add a lot to the piano sound with much less development effort. I'm talking about making the piano sound more real using effects which are actually a part of the acoustic sound as it is affected by the cabinet, room, etc. Modeling strings is one thing, but I think it's crazy to try to "model" a piano cabinet when you can recreate the effect that the cabinet has on the strings with the right combo of subtle post effects. As far as all the Add-Ons, they've never been a big draw for me but then I get those sounds from other hardware. You know, we all want what we want. Modartt wants to sell more software. The Add-Ons get some additional revenue from existing users, but I'm not sure they contribute to luring new prospects. I would bet that post-processing -with demos of what that contributes- would be a wise investment. Just my 7 cents worth.
I wouldn't want a huge number of effects, but:
1. Tape saturation, for emulating non-digital recordings.
2. Another control for the current reverb: High freq damping
3. A chorus, as others have requested, with controls for timing and detuning.
4. And a big one: Mic modeling. Maybe just a drop-down list of mic brands and versions would do.
And 1+ for a bypass on the EQ. Great idea.
Marimba it's made of wood ...
Now you can't complain Pianoteq have no woodness...
a good real chorus is on top of my wish list and a must for an even better electric piano....
delay and distortion or tube stuff comes then
I still suggest that if they add a chorus, they should make it a chorus/flanger/phaser, switchable. Flanger is just a chorus with shorter delay time and feedback. Phasing is a different thing altogether, but it can be put in "the swirling effect" family.
I agree that tape delay and warm vintage distortion would be awesome to make stuff lo-fi and 1920s.
I also think that cabinet "modeling" should be done with convolution processing instead of actually modeling it.
I'm one of the people who thinks the danger with all these FX requests is that they are all readily available from 3rd parties, whereas nobody else yet has an upright piano or a Hohner pianet N VSTi
Very interesting suggestions here, but I also don't really see the point of including all these FX in Pianoteq.
As Michael H and feeble already stated, it's better if Modartt spend their valuable time improving and developing the piano models, which is what they're really good at.
Anyway, your comments are very interesting, Cellomangler. Could you maybe give us some details what exactly you try to emulate with multi-band distortion, delay etc. and how?
I'd really be interested in that!
Wolfgang
I think Pianoteq should call or write the people at Audio Damage and try to make a deal to use their FX in Pianoteq which could maybe speed up both companys.
If you want REALLY good FX, Audio Damage makes them.
I am really serious about this.
Why use time inventing something others allready have done, and done very good !
Reverb http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/prod...?pid=AD023
Chorus http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/prod...?pid=AD016
Phaser http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/prod...?pid=AD008
Delay http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/prod...?pid=AD006
Your comment makes me remamber something about vintage eletric pianos.
Do you realise that in the 60's and 70's the compact onboard speakers, used in these instruments, was quite a crap ?
Pianoteq emulate the sound signal produced by such instruments very well, but do not emulate the fails of the speakers of such vintage instruments.
To get the true sound of such things we need to get a crap vintage speaker, or a "crap speaker emulator".
Well, I think I could won the "crazy requests competition" here, by requesting a "crap speaker emulator".
háaa háaa...
I'm one of the people who thinks the danger with all these FX requests is that they are all readily available from 3rd parties, whereas nobody else yet has an upright piano or a Hohner pianet N VSTi
Once again, speaker/cabinet/reverb simulation is easily done with convolution processing! It's a one-size-fits-all!
Anyway, your comments are very interesting, Cellomangler. Could you maybe give us some details what exactly you try to emulate with multi-band distortion, delay etc. and how?
I'd really be interested in that! Wolfgang
Yeah Wolf... I really need to put my recorder where my mouth is... so to speak. I'll seriously take time here in the next few days to lay down some simple Pianoteq riffs with and without an FX chain that I like. I'll document what the effects I used are -maybe include a photo. They will be outboard effects but similar to what's available in software plugs.
I wouldn't be surprise if people ask Modartt a ad-on for this kind of percursion:
http://www.videolife.tk/video/g2LJ1i722...ienna.html
What a inventive Marimba, with midi input:
http://you-hobby-videoblog.ru/view.php?...DI+Marimba
Yeah Wolf... I really need to put my recorder where my mouth is... so to speak. I'll seriously take time here in the next few days to lay down some simple Pianoteq riffs with and without an FX chain that I like. I'll document what the effects I used are -maybe include a photo. They will be outboard effects but similar to what's available in software plugs.
Great! I'm really curious...
I'll stay tuned!
Well, if you can't focus on improving the piano model, or an upright: then I'd suggest to take a look at this instrument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LfJLvuZqmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0xxnFqdBCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK4prndg...re=channel
Cheers!