Topic: Do you think it really worth 150.000 dollars?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciaYwvNT...re=related

Just few year ago I heard a famous pianist said  on TV that Steinway was the greatest piano for concerts. When asked about Yamaha pianos, he said that was like compare a expansive Mercedes with a volkswagen.

But there is such $150.000  Yamaha now, so much expansive like a Steinsay for concert.

For me it do not sound very good, but the video had not decent sound, so...  it's difficult to tell.

Last edited by Beto-Music (13-07-2010 22:37)

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I like bright metallic piano sounds and so I like Yamaha recordings a lot. (I don't play the real things though)  IF I had the money and the space I would definitely take a $150,000 Yamaha seriously.  

In this comparison of the AvantGrand to a real grand, the real one absolutely sprays you with metallic overtones, and the digital sounds lacklustre in comparison. (IMHO):
http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla...3923107001 (Keyboard Mag AvantGrand All-Star Roundtable)

Greg.

Re: Do you think it really worth 150.000 dollars?????????

I recently could play both a Steinway D and a Yamaha Grand; they are very different indeed, but definitely in the same league. Hence the similar price. The Yamaha has a brighter sound in the medium-high range, it is certainly a beautiful instrument, but I would say that for classical or romantic music (Beethoven and all), I prefer the Steinway a lot, while for more contemporary music, the Yamaha would maybe do a better job. It's all a matter of taste. If you take the cars comparison, I would rather compare them to a Rolls versus a Lexus!

Last edited by Luc Henrion (14-07-2010 10:09)

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Hello Beto-Music,

Last year, and a few years before that, I had the pleasure of playing numerous concert quality grands of all famous makes in close proximity at the Winter NAMM show in Anaheim, California, USA.

Because the vendors were putting their best products forward for current and potential dealers to try, all of these pianos were exquisitely tuned and regulated far beyond what one would normally expect in a real world setting.

I had the pleasure of playing on Bechsteins, Steinways, Bluethners, Faziolis, Foersters, Bosendorfers, a Shigeru Kawai, and a Yamaha CFIII among others.  (Even Pearl River had a 9' concert grand available, just to show that they could put together a 9' grand -- but everyone was laughing at it!)

Here's the point to be made:  When you are sampling the very best wares of these piano manufacturers, each made with the finest materials and handmade craftsmanship available to them, they are all great sounding and great playing.  (Well ... leave out the Pearl River on that last statement.)  As such, the finest craftsmen using the finest materials on the finest piano designs -- each cost a lot of money.

Although, if I had $150000 USD to spend it on any of these pianos, the Yamaha wouldn't be my first choice, I must confess that if the brand names were not prominently displayed on the fallboards and cast into the pianos' frames, I would be hard pressed to select just one piano if I didn't know what brand name I was playing.

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It has been said by the Yamaha National Representative at the 2009 NAMM show that 90% of the world's concert stages use two piano brands, and Yamaha is one of them (and, by implication, Steinway is the other).

Now let's be careful here:  Just because 90% of the world's stages use these two brands, that does NOT necessarily mean these two are the best!  It really means that two vendors furnish pianos easier than their competitive brands FOR USE on the world's stages ... for product brand exposure and association with known artists.

Steinway has obviously done this for years.  (So did Baldwin, when they made world-class pianos some years ago.)  Each vendor has a stable of pianists who contractually agree to perform in public on a certain brand of piano. 

Yamaha has relatively recently joined this particular bandwagon, but they have amassed their numbers (to achieve the 90% world stage figure) by furnishing pianos for Contemporary Pianists such as Elton John, Michael Buble, Vanessa Carlton, etc, but also have Classical Artists such as Abbey Simon (a previous Baldwin artist).

If you would like to continue this discussion, please chime in.

Cheers,

Joe

Last edited by jcfelice88keys (14-07-2010 16:19)

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How was Shigeru Kawai???

Hard work and guts!

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EvilDragon wrote:

How was Shigeru Kawai???

In a word ... "exquisite".

But, knowing that I cannot write only one word, I must add the the Shigeru Kawai action was extremely "balanced".  By this, I mean that on the S.Kawai and the Fazioli, I could play fast repeated notes, even mezzo piano, with an ease I had never experienced before in my life.  The Steinway D's repetitions, although very very good, were almost sluggish by comparison.

Joe

Last edited by jcfelice88keys (14-07-2010 16:25)

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Shigeru is a wet dream of mine. Right in the line with a Bösendorfer Imperial 290


But I don't deserve them yet!

Last edited by EvilDragon (14-07-2010 17:11)
Hard work and guts!

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RE: Elton John, I read that he had become very frustrated with his Steinway, and asked to be given a brighter sounding piano. They came back with a Yamaha, and he was extremely impressed, and has stayed with Yamaha ever since.  That said, I have also read that he uses quite an elaborate setup that can consist of a blend of the acoustic sound and digital sounds, with the blend being fine tuned behind the scenes during a performance.

Ah - here's where I read this! http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre...ost1243592

Greg.

Last edited by skip (14-07-2010 22:27)

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Thank you al, sepcially Joe, for the wise comments.

Probably many great classic pianists developed a Steinwaycentric personality  along the decades.
Or maybe some of them also get "rewards", sponsor, from Steinway company.

Or could Yamaha quality just got a great boosting in the last 20 years, and many people still don't recognise it ?

Some people argue that while Steinway make one grand piano, Yamaha make 20, and then slow atersan handcraft by experts of Steinway would be a secrete key point.
Technology could speed up manufacture, without necessarily compromise quality ???  Maybe, if haverecision

Can a Steinway be tuned and needle to sound so fine metalic&bright as Yamaha can get for pop? Or can be adjusted Yamaha to sound smooth and mellow like for a classic romantic as Steinway?
Probably not...

In the end Maybe a Steinway it's just a Steinway and a Yamaha it's just a Yamaha. Eat one in it's own way.

Last edited by Beto-Music (15-07-2010 03:55)

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Further to what our "in-house" classical pianist has said (I refer to Joe of course), the following is interesting reading.  I posted this link a while back, but for this discussion I think it's worth repeating:

http://www.georgekolasis.com/

Click on the links to the left of his picture - "World's Best Pianos" make interesting reading.

Two quotes that confirm comments made by Joe:

". . . . once the great pianists and technicians really understand what Shigeru Kawaii has accomplished,  it will become the new standard, and anything less will be considered outdated technology".

"The pianissimo and repetition is simply amazing".

Glenn

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