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Topic: Pianoteq hybrid/layered

Does anyone here layer Pianoteq with sampled pianos? I have been using the Sampletekk Black Grand for this, and I think it sounds great. Here's a link to some comparisons that I've done:

http://www.box.net/shared/uh5g763erl

I recorded Chopin's Prelude 20 in C Minor and the Aria from the Goldberg Variations using the hybrid setup. Then I separated the two pianos and made a separate file for each part. I was using the C3 Solo Recording preset for the Prelude, and the K1 Solo Recording preset for the Aria.

The Sampletekk tracks have no reverb on them because I was using only Pianoteq's reverb in the hybrid recording. If you want to hear what the Sampletekkk piano sounds like with reverb, I also included my recording of the Aria from the last Pianoworld recital.

I also posted a thread about this in the Pianoworld forums here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre...ost1466938

Reply by stramTuplik

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Re: Pianoteq hybrid/layered

Cool! The hybrid prelude sounds on MY speakers. Good idea to mix pianoteq with samples, I'm off to try my own hybrids..

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Re: Pianoteq hybrid/layered

I think V-piano do something similar, layering some real recording of some characteristics like woodness with the modeled tone. Not just layers recording of a note sound, but a a special prepared sound, to separeted the component that it's very difficult to be modelled.
Just my guess...

Some people had speculated that V-piano it's not fully modelled, but a bit hybrid with some samples.

Should pianoteq add some real sound components to increase tone realism ?

I think it's possible.
Well, in theory they can model anything with perfection, but took a lot of time to render the sound. Well, they can model just the sound of the elements that are dificult, like woodnes and other i don't know the word for, and get pure sound of these elements. These sound elements would be not just layered over a note tone, but there would be a whole bunch of algorithms to make it better in terms of decay, duration, etc.

For other side...  this goes a bit against Modartt philosophy  of a complete modeled tone.


Well... what do you think about it ???

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Re: Pianoteq hybrid/layered

I don't think it's necessary for Pianoteq to add samples to their software, since it is so easy to layer it with samples.  My sampled piano is tuned to ~442hz for some reason, but I can just change the diapason in Pianoteq Play and that takes care of that.  If I had the full version, I could take the time to change the tuning of the individual notes as well.  Having the hybrid piano a bit out of tune does make it sound more realistic, however.

Another problem with adding samples to Pianoteq is that you cannot change all of the parameters in the samples which are available to the modeled pianos.  You really have to match Pianoteq to the sampled piano, since you can't do it the other way around.

I have PMI's Bosendorfer 290 in the mail, and am excited to try it out with Pianoteq when it arrives.

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Re: Pianoteq hybrid/layered

But I refer to add sound recordings in a special way, just the characteristic that is missing, like woodness. That's why this characteristic need to be separated, insted of just add a sound note overlay.


Some algorithm could change a bit the sound to try to make it appropriated to some preset change.
And it's only a few characteristics of sound to be added, and probably wouldn't interfere much with preset change.

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