Topic: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

Hello All,

I was very impressed by the compositional quality of Eran Talmor's (etalmor) first two-part invention in C Minor. 

In appreciation of hearing such a beautiful study in counterpoint, I took the liberty of enlarging the work by four times and created a midi file of it played the K1 piano, and gave it a rather swinging rhythm.

Part One:  Original Work
Part Two:  Reversed Parts and shifted same up and down one octave
Part Three:  Original Right Hand part plus Left Hand part is inverted.
Part Four:  Original Left Hand Part plus Right Hand part is inverted.

Here is the URL of the elaborated composition:

http://www.box.net/shared/vxt5yq07vc

Hopefully this contrapuntal elaboration is okay with the composer. 

Enjoy,

Joe  <jcfelice88keys>

P.S.  If this is not okay with the composer, may I ask that Eran speak up in this thread, and I shall remove it.

Last edited by jcfelice88keys (03-05-2010 05:51)

Re: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

Hello All,

Some explanation is required, regarding this upload.  This four-fold expanded composition was created in midi -- not a live performance -- by printing a downloaded copy the original score, and then step entering the notes into MakeMusic's 'Finale' notation software.  Next, I exported the Finale version to a standard midi file, and imported the same in Digital Performer.

Once in Digital Performer, I copied and pasted three additional copies of the file in succession.  Leaving the original version essentially alone, the second version involved transposing the left hand part up an octave (and in some places, two octaves) and transposed the right hand part down an octave (and in some places, two octaves).

The third and fourth versions were similar to the two first versions, with the exception that the left hand part was basically melodically inverted in the third version, and the right hand part was inverted melodically in the fourth version.

For those unfamiliar with the term 'inversion', this means that I essentially turned the individual intervals of notes upside down.  Restated, if a particular interval went up a perfect fifth in the original version, I changed it to go down a perfect fifth.  There was some creative editing going on with these inversions, as I strove to keep the inverted intervals within the Aeolean scale of C Minor and its dominant G Minor tonality as needed.

Lastly, using a variation of quantization in Digital Performer, I proceeded to make the rhythm "swing" a bit, by making the even eighth note / quaver rhythm into a slightly elongated eighth note / quaver and a slightly contracted sixteenth note / semiquaver.

Hopefully this explains how Mr. Talmor's composition was transmogrified, and that the composer will not be angered by this undertaking.  This elaboration was done in appreciation of the composer's fine contrapuntal composition.  As this was done in the midi format, it is rather apparent upon listening, that the file was not performed live.

Cheers,

Joe

Last edited by jcfelice88keys (03-05-2010 06:02)

Re: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the kind words! - this is fun :-) now - there is a minor mistake i guess you missed when you hand copied it: bar 24, the last "A" on the left hand should be natural, not flat.
Besides that - cool - i like your exercise  (though I keep swing for jazz...)
Regarding the reversal stuff - i mean switching the parts between hands, not all couterpoint is reversible this way, (though some composers - i forget - deliberately used counterpoint that *is* reversible, not Bach)
So for instance: an interval of a fifth (i'm talking about two simultaneous notes) is a consonant and permissible when used as a dominant e.g.take this 3 chord succession:
RH:  C4 -> D4  -> E4
LH:  E3 -> G3  -> C4

the second internal [G D] is a perfectly legal fifth, used as a dominant to the last tonic [C E].

But if you switch hands that you get:
RH: E3 -> G3 -> C4
LH: C3 -> D3 -> E3

now the second interval [D G] is a fourth - it's dissonant and strictly illegal in this context.

All the best,
Eran

Last edited by etalmor (03-05-2010 07:11)
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Re: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

Hello Eran,

Thank you for your prompt reply.  Of course you are correct in my missing a natural sign in your piece.  Regarding inversion, it was a rather free exercise in performing an inversion of one entire line -- as such, certain intervals had to be compromised in order to make the counterpoint remain in the context of the key signature.  As you are most likely aware, there are multiple types of inversion -- strict interval inversion, and that which preserves the tonality.  These are two aspects that Bach used in many of his works.

For example, in his Kunst der Fuge, there are several examples where he used accidentals to prevent a key change, and then there are also examples wherein he used accidentals to force a tonality change.

Beautiful composition on your part, by the way, and I thank you again for not having taken undue offense to my exercise without having consulting with you beforehand.

Cheers,

Joe

Re: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

jcfelice88keys wrote:

and I thank you again for not having taken undue offense to my exercise without having consulting with you beforehand.

On the contrary Joe - it's very flattering.
By the way - I heard your Ravel interpretation on another thread and your other submissions to the PTQ Listen Page - you're a *very* impressive pianist to say the least, and so coming from someone of your skill and knowledge your words are very encouraging for me to keep writing and studying - thank you!.

I have an idea: I'd bet you'd do a much better job recording (live) my Invention than I would. I read classical music, but my performance domain is Jazz and I have no pretensions of being a classical pianist.
If you're up for it - I would be really honored.
But don't feel obligated ...

Take care,
Eran

Last edited by etalmor (03-05-2010 14:54)
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Re: Expanded version of Invention #1 composed by Eran Talmor

Just an anecdote: a couple of days ago some guy accused of infringing his copyright on this little invention ...

- should I take that as a complement?
- don't people have real jobs to attend to?

:-)

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