Topic: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

I like the Electric Pianos add-on, especially for the convenience of having all types of piano sounds easily accessible within Pianoteq, but I really miss that the electric pianos don't have a nice stereo chorus to fatten up and give movement to what is essentially a static sound spatially, unlike the acoustic pianos. Stereo Chorus is a very useful effect and, to my knowledge, all the other major software EP's have it, so why not Pianoteq? (The Pianoteq EP's do have a 'chorus' slider, which is the 'unison width' slider when using the acoustic pianos if I'm not mistaken, but it doesn't sound to me like a true chorus effect).

Personally, I'd find having chorus a lot more useful and practical than having a wah-wah effect (except for Clavinet), or tremolo for that matter. The steep volume dropoffs and rises of tremolo and wah-wah make me reserve them as special effects, to be used sparingly, while chorus is more generally useful. Reverb and Chorus are basically the Swiss Army Knife of effects, cc91 and cc93.
Using software effects outside Pianoteq is certainly doable, but it's impractical if, like me, you want to use PTQ standalone, without a VST host.

Does anyone else have any interest in this? I know Modartt listens to users, so perhaps if there's enough interest, the developers will add this feature.

Last edited by Michael H (20-03-2010 05:15)

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

there have indeed been discussions about this before.

You're correct that the "chorus" slider on the electric pianos is not an emulation of the typical "chorus" guitar effect pedal (which were generally done with recirculating bucket-brigade solid state analogue delays) -
instead it's physically modelling the sound of two electric piano tines slightly out of tune with each other.

I'd recommend trying a simple free VST host for pianoteq, so you can easily add a chorus VST to the signal chain (there's tons of good free ones out there....... and you'll also find a VST amp/cabinet simulator does wonders for the sound too..... and don't forget phasing, flanging and tape echo

Last edited by feline1 (21-03-2010 03:03)

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

I think a stereo chorus would be lovely. I was thinking about it the other day but it would have meant running Pianoteq in Logic and I prefer to use the standalone.

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

+1 -- once you've added the wah-wah, you've opened Pandora's Box.  %^)

Seriously, though, this would be a nice feature and would certainly improve the "standalone" experience.

Obviously, if you're using Pianoteq in a host, then your options are already excellent for external effects plug-ins of this nature.  (I could name a ridiculous number, all good to great -- no shortage of hits to your wallet!)

Last edited by dhalfen (21-03-2010 06:13)
"Our developers, who art in Toulouse, hallowed be thy physical-models.
Thy version 4 come, thy new instruments be done, in the computer as it is in the wood!"

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

Thanks for the replies guys. And right you are dhalfen about the wah-wah opening a Pandora's Box

Chorus is a standard effect that's usually found in electric piano software, and wah-wah isn't. We're used to hearing a Clavinet with wah-wah, but that's about it. How often do we use, or hear, Clavinet as opposed to Fender Rhodes and Wurlitzer- not often. Perhaps if Modartt would exchange the wah-wah for a chorus effect in the EP's other than the Clav??

Although I've got Lounge Lizard Session and Elektrik Piano, I'm using Pianoteq's EP's because the add-on makes PTQ an all-in-one piano application. But the lack of a chorus effect takes some of the pleasure out of what is otherwise a pretty elegant total solution to a gigging piano player's needs.

Last edited by Michael H (21-03-2010 15:19)

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

Michael H wrote:

But the lack of a chorus effect takes some of the pleasure out of what is otherwise a pretty elegant total solution to a gigging piano player's needs.

I would have to say that the "chorus" (well, tine-detuning) feature already found in the electric-piano add-ons probably "distracted" folks from the fact that a _true_ chorus effect wasn't put in place.  Of course, the original instruments required you to use external pedal effect for chorus, phaser, overdrive, etc. -- but these pretty much became part of the standard gigging setup. 

So, even if the Rhodes and Wurlies themselves didn't feature these effects onboard, the "legacy" of their usage with these electric pianos practically demands some sort of implementation.  (Just like the wah-wah with the Clavinet.)  Authentic performance tradition trumps authentic instrument tradition in this case!

(Goodness, in 80 years, we'll probably have folks arguing about the "authenticity" of using such effects -- just like HIP classical folks argue about the use of vibrato now.  Of course, they'll have plenty of reference recordings from our time in the future, whereas we're a little SOOL for audiophile recordings from the 1800s.  ;^)

"Our developers, who art in Toulouse, hallowed be thy physical-models.
Thy version 4 come, thy new instruments be done, in the computer as it is in the wood!"

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

SOOL... good one dhalfen! I hadn't seen that one before..

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

Michael H wrote:

SOOL... good one dhalfen! I hadn't seen that one before..

I'm full of 'em.  (NOT literally.  At least on average.  ;^)

"Our developers, who art in Toulouse, hallowed be thy physical-models.
Thy version 4 come, thy new instruments be done, in the computer as it is in the wood!"

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

1+ for a chorus that can also be applied to the acoustic pianos.

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

It'd be cool if effects like chorus, phasing, and flanging could have seperate rates & depths for different regions of the keyboard. For example, for bass notes a slow, deep rate sounds good, but for high notes a faster, shallower setting sounds more appropriate, typically.

Greg.

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

lol guys guys,
what we need is an upright piano and a Hohner Pianet,
you can get all this outboard FX stuff for free elsewhere.

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

I think that Pianoteq could benefit from being an all-in-one pianos+Epianos+vintage pianos+effects product, with effects suite of its own (hint - selling your effects as a separate VST with increased amount of control and parameters at a bargain price of, say, 19 or 29€ could get you an extra dime )

But I think that for such an elaborate effects section, Pianoteq really needs to re-think its current GUI. That's why I think, if Modartt intends to put some new effects on board, they should wait for v4, which should have:

1. redesigned interface
2. freely resizeable interface

Last edited by EvilDragon (22-03-2010 10:54)
Hard work and guts!

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

I think you're talking sense there, EvilDragon!

I often wish I could drag the GUI larger rather than have it stuck in that little box ... with most programs and websites, in fact!

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

EvilDragon wrote:

I think that Pianoteq could benefit from being an all-in-one pianos+Epianos+vintage pianos+effects product

I think that's a cool idea too, EvilDragon. But like you said, anything that elaborate would probably need a fair amount of redesigning.

Personally, I'd be pretty happy with just chorus, which I think the EP's really could use and should have. For that alone, a minor tweak to the GUI could probably do it (say exchanging the wah-wah control for a chorus control on the Wurly and Rhodes add-on).

I used Pianoteq last night on a gig for the first time, and overall the acoustic pianos sounded GREAT (just needing a little tweaking)! The EP's without chorus (I tried substituting a small amount of wah or tremolo) didn't cut it. I think without having a chorus option, the EP's are better off with NO effects, other than reverb. Bummer. (I'm definitely showing my age here).

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

Michael H wrote:

I think without having a chorus option, the EP's are better off with NO effects, other than reverb. Bummer. (I'm definitely showing my age here).

Yes you are.  (Ouch!  Oh, my right hand just smacked my left wrist for that.  ;^)

And...  er, I emphasize what Mario's said (about the "effects box" and redesigned/resizable interface).  Onward to Pianoteq 4???

(Coming to a computer near you in 2011?)

Pandora's Box it is!!!

(In the meantime:  let's start a chorus for the "Chorus."  %^)

"Our developers, who art in Toulouse, hallowed be thy physical-models.
Thy version 4 come, thy new instruments be done, in the computer as it is in the wood!"

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

feline1 wrote:

lol guys guys,
what we need is an upright piano and a Hohner Pianet,
you can get all this outboard FX stuff for free elsewhere.

Oh, my, why didn't we think of that already?  All of our problems would solved!!!

(Crashing back to reality.  %^)

skip wrote:

It'd be cool if effects like chorus, phasing, and flanging could have seperate rates & depths for different regions of the keyboard. For example, for bass notes a slow, deep rate sounds good, but for high notes a faster, shallower setting sounds more appropriate, typically.

Oh, goodness -- another great idea!!!

We're going to keep MODARTT quite busy...  If they'll let us!

"Our developers, who art in Toulouse, hallowed be thy physical-models.
Thy version 4 come, thy new instruments be done, in the computer as it is in the wood!"

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

I think one of the reasons we reign ourselves in (somewhat) with our more extravagant ideas (that Modarrt will end up sifting through), is because we'd hate to see anything compromise or sidetrack the vision the company seems to have- of creating the best possible acoustic piano software instrument. We're all looking forward to what the future will hold in that respect.

That having been said, chorus for the EP's seems like such a SMALL thing to ask for....

Re: Electric Piano feature request: Stereo Chorus

It seems obvious that a lot of time went into developing the new K1 piano now released as part of Pianoteq, and it's an interesting instrument, very different from the C3 and M3. For me it will take a little getting used to, because 'out of the box' it doesn't blow my mind the way the C3 and M3 did from day one. Then again, maybe the K1 wasn't meant to do that, but just to give us another useful tonal choice. Development seems to be an ongoing thing at Modartt, and that's great for us users.

I'm still hoping that at some point the Electric Pianos will see some further development also, to include a good chorus effect. I believe we'd have a pretty complete standalone piano solution at that time. Running Pianoteq standalone, on a laptop, with a good controller keyboard, would be all a gigging piano player would need.

Last edited by Michael H (30-03-2010 19:15)