Topic: DX7 Electric Piano

Hi all,

I would need some hints on how to make the Electric Pianos of Pianoteq to sound similarly to Yamaha DX7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xsw7Gm3dXg
Every hints and tips are highly appreciated.

Best regards,
Adrian

Re: DX7 Electric Piano

amitev wrote:

Hi all,

I would need some hints on how to make the Electric Pianos of Pianoteq to sound similarly to Yamaha DX7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xsw7Gm3dXg
Every hints and tips are highly appreciated.

Best regards,
Adrian

Epiano / Fulltines, you can have the same sound for free with Dexed an the sysex.

Otherwise, with the Electric pack, you have the MKII FM Alike preset:
"A more synthetic Electric Piano similar to the famous Yamaha FM Synthesizers with a wired timbre. Switch on the pre-set Phaser on fx1 for more motion."

For me it's a bad preset, absolutely not near an FM synth, and very unpleasant for my ears but maybe you can start from this point.
But I think you have more chance with syngular.

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Hansz wrote:

But I think you have more chance with syngular.

I agree that the FM piano in the Electric piano pack sounds terrible! The upper keys are ok but lower down it's dreadful.

I thought the same thing - than Syngular would have something. However, there's not much in that one. The patch "Syngular Keys Harmonic Convergence" is about as close as I can find so you might get somewhere with that. (I don't have the pack so don't know what's possible with editing.)

I also agree that there are easier ways to get those sounds than Pianoteq. Another option is Native Instruments FM8 which is currently on sale for $10/£9 which is a big discount.

Personally, I can't make head or tail of FM synthesis so, if you're like me, Dexed is probably the better option and just use presets or the (probably millions of) custom DX7 patches out there.

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+1 for Dexed

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Luc Henrion wrote:

+1 for Dexed

Dexed is the free easy option.

If you want EXACTLY the sound of the DX7 (down to the DAC, compander etc), Plogue makes this:

https://www.plogue.com/products/chipsynth-ops7.html

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Dexed is the way to go for that sound.  I'm using it in Reaper.
I also use the free Tal-chorus-lx plugin:
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-chorus-lx
Then layer in a pianoteq acoustic piano, and Bingo, you've got that 80's sound!

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dikrek wrote:
Luc Henrion wrote:

+1 for Dexed

Dexed is the free easy option.

If you want EXACTLY the sound of the DX7 (down to the DAC, compander etc), Plogue makes this:

https://www.plogue.com/products/chipsynth-ops7.html

Dexed is offering an “upgraded” version of the DX7, without some very unpleasing artefacts! That’s exactly what I was looking for when I sold mine to buy an SY77, and later the SY99 that I still own and use today...
Matter of taste.

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It’s funny, let’s face it, that we’re using a simulator of an acoustic instrument (well, electroacoustic to be exact) to in turn emulate Yamaha’s (fabulous yet fanciful) FM emulation. We’re clearly in a Rococo period in the history of synthesis, taking things to the nth degree and beyond!!
Hahaha

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Re: DX7 Electric Piano

jmanrique wrote:

It’s funny, let’s face it, that we’re using a simulator of an acoustic instrument (well, electroacoustic to be exact) to in turn emulate Yamaha’s (fabulous yet fanciful) FM emulation. We’re clearly in a Rococo period in the history of synthesis, taking things to the nth degree and beyond!!
Hahaha

Yes, it's odd.

However, I'm quite confused by exactly what Pianoteq is these days.

Obviously, acoustic pianos are the main thing but electric (ok, electromechanical) pianos are a big thing with the CP-80, Rhodes, Wurli and Hohner models. These all make acoustic sound that's amplified in some way. 

Moving a bit further away you have the harp, guitar, bells and drums (as well as champagne flutes!). Again, all essentially acoustic modelled sounds.

Then there's Syngular, which was a big disappointment to me. I'm sure the Pianoteq engine is capable of amazing results but trying to implement a physical modelling synth while keeping the quite limited Pianoteq UI was a mistake. I'll stick to Arturia Pigments' modal engine for that sort of thing.

That said, if Modartt can produce modelled sounds as complex as those in Syngular, surely a DX7 epiano is possible? It's not something I'd be interested in but for those who just want to use Pianoteq for gigging it would open up a lot of song possibilities.

I'm also confused as to what constitutes a full model or instrument. Maybe a cut-down set of sounds e.g. 2-3 DX7 pianos could be sold as a micro-pack with limited editing options? Or maybe producing any new model is just as much work as any other, in which case it wouldn't make sense.

While I'm on the subject, for me personally the missing Pianoteq pack that would make most sense would be an electric organ. Something like a B3 and a couple of transistor organs like Vox and Farfisa. That would basically mean Pianoteq would cover the basic "stage piano" sounds that have become popular with Nord, Yamaha, Roland, Korg etc. I know they make Organteq but that seems to be all about the pipe organ which is a hugely complex instrument in it's own right.

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The beauty of the DX7 lies in FM itself; in reality, it's very simple: all it takes is half a dozen pure sine waves and voltage generators (EGs)—that's all. So there's no point in “modeling” the highly complex waveforms that FM can produce so easily.
But you get my vote for a B3...

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I just tried DEXED.
I find there is a lot of hiss (or noise) in many of the presets. I don't know if that's normal, but it's bothersome.
Also, the presets aren't organized intuitively; it's not easy to find your way around.
I didn't find it fun to use.
Of course, this is just a first impression—I'll have to see how it goes later on.

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Don't forget Arturia's offering on the DX7 - though you will need to set the level from 100 (as set by Yamaha's factory presets to 127 to get a more faithful rendition)...

Here's Woody from Piano Shack's side-by-side comparision

https://youtu.be/iHycGwuWcn0

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To round out the list of well-known FM VSTis, we shouldn't overlook the emulation that comes closest to the DX7's creator, Yamaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OATGORpD3o