Topic: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Hi all, check out the lower register in this video:

https://youtu.be/Dceh2NWY6Lo

Go to 2:37 where he starts playing. I can't get any of the models to sound like that. Most definitely not the SK-EX...

Any recommended settings?

Or is it just an engine weakness?

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Im 99.9% sure that what you like about the sound are the early room reflections (and how they interact with the instruments own resonances). "The room is part of the instrument". Personally, I get very close to this with the more nonlinear presets of MSoundFactory (e.g. Cookies & Milk, Powerhall), with a strong bias towards early reflections and very short decay times. You may want an aggressive lowpass so that it sounds like a growl moreso than a reverb.

And don't forget to add saturation, tube and/or tape .

I'm also currently experimenting with feeding the resonance signal back as an put into Pianoteq to get some of that interaction between the room and the instrument, but haven't quite hit the sweet spot yet (hard to dial in).

I've played with physically modeled resonators like ObjecQ, but found that they didn't add much

Hammer noise is a significant component, too, give that a boost.

If you have note edit I'm pretty sure you can get any character you like out of the bass notes by boosting the higher partials, but I don't have any concrete pointers to give there (need to experiment more)


PS: Also let's not forget that this is a promotional vid by Kawai so you can be sure the recording has been "photoshopped" to a high sheen - I wouldn't expect this to be a raw take straight from the mics

Last edited by daniel_r328 (24-06-2026 19:13)

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

daniel_r328 wrote:

Im 99.9% sure that what you like about the sound are the early room reflections (and how they interact with the instruments own resonances). "The room is part of the instrument". Personally, I get very close to this with the more nonlinear presets of MSoundFactory (e.g. Cookies & Milk, Powerhall), with a strong bias towards early reflections and very short decay times. You may want an aggressive lowpass so that it sounds like a growl moreso than a reverb.

And don't forget to add saturation, tube and/or tape .

I'm also currently experimenting with feeding the resonance signal back as an put into Pianoteq to get some of that interaction between the room and the instrument, but haven't quite hit the sweet spot yet (hard to dial in).

I've played with physically modeled resonators like ObjecQ, but found that they didn't add much

Hammer noise is a significant component, too, give that a boost.

If you have note edit I'm pretty sure you can get any character you like out of the bass notes by boosting the higher partials, but I don't have any concrete pointers to give there (need to experiment more)


PS: Also let's not forget that this is a promotional vid by Kawai so you can be sure the recording has been "photoshopped" to a high sheen - I wouldn't expect this to be a raw take straight from the mics

Thanks. Well - in the age of plugins we also don’t need to rely on the Pianoteq mics alone, I just haven’t been able to get that low register to sound like that. I don’t have per note edit.

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Microphone placement is a huge factor.  Happily, in the video, you see very clearly the placement (proximate pair with a more distant pair looking directly at the bass strings).  There are likely compressors and other per-microphone effects at play (EQ and the like), which are a little harder to emulate in-app only.  I'm not sure how much PTQ Standard allows for editing the microphones.  Adding a really well-crafted reverb (or good layers of reverb) would also help a lot as well (I wouldn't be shocked if something like an M7 was added for "just a little extra" color).  Also, as a European demo, it's probable that the unison width is slightly higher than the PTQ factory defaults (try something like 1.4-1.6) as that will give more overtones (or a wider range of them) for the low notes to "latch onto" which will add a fair amount of richness to the bass sound.  (How so many of my fellow Americans can stand the sound of such heavily stretched octaves with little or no unison width has always mystified me!)  I've gotten reasonable results with tweaking the SK-EX outside of Note Edit, so I think it's highly doable.  Going for a perfect one-to-one will take time, but it should be achievable with Standard (I would think).

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Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

is this trending the right way?

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...erbass.mp3

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

dikrek wrote:

is this trending the right way?

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...erbass.mp3

I'd definitely say so. I'd ID this as the same instrument, recorded differently (or recorded in a different location). An interesting detail in the youtube video is that the sustained bass chord is possibly spotlighted by some temporary EQ (edit: I listened back and am actually willing to pay good money on the use of a temporary/dynamic EQ just for this chord), plus probably use of the sostenuto pedal to increase its lifespan, compared to your MP3.

I doubt that their recording would have been much better than your MP3, before post-processing .

I think you can be more aggressive with the tube distortion in the 100-400 Hz range though. Depending on what reverb plugin you use, you may be able to boost the decay times of specific frequency ranges to let the bass notes linger more. This will replicate the behaviour of a concert hall, which uses materials to reflect bass ranges while absorbing higher frequencies, for warmth.

Last edited by daniel_r328 (02-07-2026 14:25)

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

daniel_r328 wrote:
dikrek wrote:

is this trending the right way?

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...erbass.mp3

I'd definitely say so. I'd ID this as the same instrument, recorded differently (or recorded in a different location). An interesting detail in the youtube video is that the sustained bass chord is possibly spotlighted by some temporary EQ (edit: I listened back and am actually willing to pay good money on the use of a temporary/dynamic EQ just for this chord), plus probably use of the sostenuto pedal to increase its lifespan, compared to your MP3.

I doubt that their recording would have been much better than your MP3, before post-processing .

I think you can be more aggressive with the tube distortion in the 100-400 Hz range though. Depending on what reverb plugin you use, you may be able to boost the decay times of specific frequency ranges to let the bass notes linger more. This will replicate the behaviour of a concert hall, which uses materials to reflect bass ranges while absorbing higher frequencies, for warmth.

how about now? Here are 3 attempts:

earlier:

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...erbass.mp3

today's

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...erbass.mp3

today's with silver bullet

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...silver.mp3

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Ha, great work. This proves to my satisfaction that Pianoteq can be the instrument for professionally sounding recordings.

Today's samples are a bit washed out in places (e.g. in the initial run of descending chords), but if you were to produce this track, you'd probably add keyframes to make the eq vary over time for clearer sound in busier sections.

Hmm it would be a fun project to build a dynamic EQ/resonator that boosts certain frequencies on the fly, based on the musical structure it reads from the midi stream (long, dramatic chords get a boost; fast runs get clarity; etc). Not sure something like this exists but it would be a great complement to pianoteq... and it sounds like it would give you what you're after!

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

daniel_r328 wrote:

Ha, great work. This proves to my satisfaction that Pianoteq can be the instrument for professionally sounding recordings.

Today's samples are a bit washed out in places (e.g. in the initial run of descending chords), but if you were to produce this track, you'd probably add keyframes to make the eq vary over time for clearer sound in busier sections.

Hmm it would be a fun project to build a dynamic EQ/resonator that boosts certain frequencies on the fly, based on the musical structure it reads from the midi stream (long, dramatic chords get a boost; fast runs get clarity; etc). Not sure something like this exists but it would be a great complement to pianoteq... and it sounds like it would give you what you're after!

I used in the last one:
boz digital labs bark of dog (non-intelligent resonator but still adds oomph),
Logic chromaglow
Silver bullet
Ocelot octaver
Drawmer s73

The first try also had
Hornet thirty one mk2
UAD ampex tape
T-console channel
N-console bus
Relab Rev6000
Airwindows adclip 9
JS inflator

I also added a pair of fig 8 mics on the side like in the video

And - surprise - the model that ended up having that growlier bass needed was the Steinway NYD, not Kawai.

Last edited by dikrek (02-07-2026 22:22)

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

daniel_r328 wrote:

Ha, great work. This proves to my satisfaction that Pianoteq can be the instrument for professionally sounding recordings.

Today's samples are a bit washed out in places (e.g. in the initial run of descending chords), but if you were to produce this track, you'd probably add keyframes to make the eq vary over time for clearer sound in busier sections.

Hmm it would be a fun project to build a dynamic EQ/resonator that boosts certain frequencies on the fly, based on the musical structure it reads from the midi stream (long, dramatic chords get a boost; fast runs get clarity; etc). Not sure something like this exists but it would be a great complement to pianoteq... and it sounds like it would give you what you're after!

check this one, tuned the resonators to C and made it overall more balanced, at least through my balanced headphones...

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...nators.mp3

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

dikrek wrote:

check this one, tuned the resonators to C and made it overall more balanced, at least through my balanced headphones...

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...nators.mp3

Sounds good! I'd be very interested to learn what settings you use, both in Pianoteq and in the other plugins.

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Pianophile wrote:
dikrek wrote:

check this one, tuned the resonators to C and made it overall more balanced, at least through my balanced headphones...

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...nators.mp3

Sounds good! I'd be very interested to learn what settings you use, both in Pianoteq and in the other plugins.

Thanks. Is there a way to attach screenshots directly here? Only way I’ve found was to use links in other sites.

I’ll share my FXP too

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

dikrek wrote:
Pianophile wrote:
dikrek wrote:

check this one, tuned the resonators to C and made it overall more balanced, at least through my balanced headphones...

https://pianoclack.s3.us-east-1.amazona...nators.mp3

Sounds good! I'd be very interested to learn what settings you use, both in Pianoteq and in the other plugins.

Thanks. Is there a way to attach screenshots directly here? Only way I’ve found was to use links in other sites.

I’ll share my FXP too

I've never tried it. Perhaps this helps: https://forum.modartt.com/help.php?section=img.

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Pianophile wrote:
dikrek wrote:
Pianophile wrote:

Sounds good! I'd be very interested to learn what settings you use, both in Pianoteq and in the other plugins.

Thanks. Is there a way to attach screenshots directly here? Only way I’ve found was to use links in other sites.

I’ll share my FXP too

I've never tried it. Perhaps this helps: https://forum.modartt.com/help.php?section=img.

doc and fxp added here

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ljgxy354...x&dl=0

plus fxp added in fxp corner

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

dikrek wrote:

doc and fxp added here

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ljgxy354...x&dl=0

plus fxp added in fxp corner

Thanks; looking forward to studying this! I don't have all of these plugins but do have rough equivalents of most of them.

Re: Lower register revisited - how to make it like this one?

Pianophile wrote:
dikrek wrote:

doc and fxp added here

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ljgxy354...x&dl=0

plus fxp added in fxp corner

Thanks; looking forward to studying this! I don't have all of these plugins but do have rough equivalents of most of them.

It's a cumulative effect. Some are free like bark of dog and js inflator.

Strongly recommend everyone to get Silver Bullet, of all these it's the most useful.

S73 I got for free with my audio interface... it's also one of the more interesting since it does intelligent parallel compression and has very useful modes. Clarity2 is great.

airwindows is donationware but I'm just using it in this case for gain/clipping duties.

In the final version I didn't use the Sonimus consoles, you can see from the Logic screenshot what's turned off.