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hello, I haven't bought pianoteq yet, so far my korg ds1h soft pedal isn't working with my master keyboard, an alesis coda digital piano. Pianoteq says I am using a standard pedal (which isn't really true). From what I understand my keyboard doesn't support soft pedal. What do I need to do? I am on a mac. Is there a low cost midi interface with the right inputs, and if so what is that?

Quite frankly I am disappointed at how pianoteq just seems to say: it doesn't work, end of story. Anyways, I am willing to give this a shot, if it's too involved I'll probably leave it as I practice and record a lot, don't have much time to fiddle with complicated setups

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

Hello,

Do you mean "continuous pedal" (sending intermediate MIDI values between 0 and 127, not just on/off) or "soft pedal" (una corda, for softening the sound)?

You can have a look at the MIDI messages received by Pianoteq under Options > MIDI. Check to see if your pedal + keyboard combination actually sends continuous control or just on/off (0 or 127).

Let me know if this helps.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

Alexis Thibault wrote:

Hello,

Do you mean "continuous pedal" (sending intermediate MIDI values between 0 and 127, not just on/off) or "soft pedal" (una corda, for softening the sound)?

You can have a look at the MIDI messages received by Pianoteq under Options > MIDI. Check to see if your pedal + keyboard combination actually sends continuous control or just on/off (0 or 127).

Let me know if this helps.

Yeah I meant half pedal, sorry. Ok continuous. As I wrote before pianoteq tells me it's just on/off, and it's not. It's connected to my master keyboard. So I am trying to understand if pianoteq reads it wrong because the pedal is 'before' my keyboard, and what do I have to do to use the half pedal. Other sampling libraries I have tell me the same thing, it's on/off, so I assume it's because it's connected to my keyboard and this doesn't support half pedal, for the half pedal function.

So I wonder if there's a simple interface that I can connect my pedal to, and go through USB on my mac and bypass the keyboard entirely in regard to half pedal, and then set up that interface in pianoteq.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php

To connect jack pedal to an usb hub.
I own the quattro version, it works very well.

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0BLJFZ42M?th=1
I use it to connect on an ipad.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

YvesTh wrote:

https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php

To connect jack pedal to an usb hub.
I own the quattro version, it works very well.

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0BLJFZ42M?th=1
I use it to connect on an ipad.

Mh. Yeah. I have usb hubs, if that's all I needed, I wouldn't even be here. And yeah, I have an ipad too. Many people have.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

Audiofront is not just an usb hub. I use it to connect my triple continuous pedal directly to pianoteq because my master keyboard doesn't accept it. I thought it was your problem...

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

anyway, I'll pass and keep using what I was using before and resell the Korg pedal, this isn't worth my time.

Maybe next time if modartt takes more care to guide the user to set this nerdy stuff up, even in general terms, but step by step, I'll consider buying its product. For now I'll move on, this stuff can cost hours and life is short.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

https://youtu.be/2DDwtEGpdqE?is=X-eS-Rlx5mv2XcfE

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

YvesTh wrote:

Audiofront is not just an usb hub. I use it to connect my triple continuous pedal directly to pianoteq because my master keyboard doesn't accept it. I thought it was your problem...

I just landed on a website with a bunch of stuff, so I didn't bother investigating. So would the 'midi expression' allow me to connect the Korg half pedal and use it with pianoteq?

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hgjvfh wrote:
YvesTh wrote:

Audiofront is not just an usb hub. I use it to connect my triple continuous pedal directly to pianoteq because my master keyboard doesn't accept it. I thought it was your problem...

I just landed on a website with a bunch of stuff, so I didn't bother investigating. So would the 'midi expression' allow me to connect the Korg half pedal and use it with pianoteq?

Yes...

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YvesTh wrote:
hgjvfh wrote:
YvesTh wrote:

Audiofront is not just an usb hub. I use it to connect my triple continuous pedal directly to pianoteq because my master keyboard doesn't accept it. I thought it was your problem...

I just landed on a website with a bunch of stuff, so I didn't bother investigating. So would the 'midi expression' allow me to connect the Korg half pedal and use it with pianoteq?

Yes...

Ok, if that works then it seems a good solution, it's even airmail free to my country. I am just concerned that the 'midi expression' only works with expression pedals or on off switches, the video doesn't show half pedals, which seem to be different than expression pedals, but I might be wrong.

But if you say it works then thank you and I take it all back. I think this solution would be a good one.

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hgjvfh wrote:
YvesTh wrote:
hgjvfh wrote:

I just landed on a website with a bunch of stuff, so I didn't bother investigating. So would the 'midi expression' allow me to connect the Korg half pedal and use it with pianoteq?

Yes...

Ok, if that works then it seems a good solution, it's even airmail free to my country. I am just concerned that the 'midi expression' only works with expression pedals or on off switches, the video doesn't show half pedals, which seem to be different than expression pedals, but I might be wrong.

But if you say it works then thank you and I take it all back. I think this solution would be a good one.

It works with my continuous pedal Roland.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

ok, is your roland the type of pedal as this one with a stereo jack?

https://www.korg.com/us/products/accessories/ds_1h/

that's the one I have

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hgjvfh wrote:

ok, is your roland the type of pedal as this one with a stereo jack?

https://www.korg.com/us/products/accessories/ds_1h/

that's the one I have

https://www.thomann.fr/roland_rpu3.htm?...M4EALw_wcB

And there is a good control application "midi. Expression" you can download on the site https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php
Allowing to modify setting of your pedal.

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Re: how to set up soft pedal with master keyboard

does your roland looks like the one I mentioned or not?