Topic: Physical modelling

Are there any papers on the mathematics of the modelling that Pianoteq uses? I know that my be proprietary, but perhaps there are some overview articles?

I saw a video where they go to a factory like Kawai and record lots of samples, just as a sampling VST make would do. How do they get to the modelled VST from the sample set?

My background is in mathematics so I was delighted to see Pianoteq came from a maths department in France.

Re: Physical modelling

The best clue is probably the patent description, where the tl;dr is (if I remember correctly) that the individual strings are assembled by additive synthesis, and the resonance is a spatial arrangement of waveguides.

Nothing super unique in the general approach, so the secret sauce probably lies in the excellence of execution: which inharmonic frequencies to excite when, what to allow to crossbleed, etc. For example v9 seems to have tuned the waveguide mesh to new heights

Re: Physical modelling

Where would one find the patent?

Re: Physical modelling

Andro wrote:

Where would one find the patent?

Philippe Guillaume patent 2007 :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7915515B2/en

And a thesis of Juliette Chabassier on piano modelling 2012 :
https://theses.hal.science/tel-00662740/

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Re: Physical modelling

Thank you. That's very interesting. I spent some time thinking you can't patent software or algorithms (as far as I know, still), but the patent gets around that by presenting a 'device'.

Re: Physical modelling

Andro wrote:

Thank you. That's very interesting. I spent some time thinking you can't patent software or algorithms (as far as I know, still), but the patent gets around that by presenting a 'device'.

The latest paper on the subject is from late  2018 ; the document explains how Pianoteq uses modal synthesis starting from paragraph 4.2

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01894219v1/document

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Pianistically wrote:

The latest paper on the subject is from late  2018 ; the document explains how Pianoteq uses modal synthesis starting from paragraph 4.2

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01894219v1/document

Great source and well written - thank you for finding!

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daniel_r328 wrote:
Pianistically wrote:

The latest paper on the subject is from late  2018 ; the document explains how Pianoteq uses modal synthesis starting from paragraph 4.2

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01894219v1/document

Great source and well written - thank you for finding!

you are welcome .