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Topic: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

I haven't used Pianoteq for a while.  There used to be a preset in the Bluethner for Model 1 BA or AB.

I want to easily be able to pick a piano and make it sound like it would to me as the player if I was playing it.  I don't care about listening to what the audience would hear.  I want to hear what I am used to hearing when playing.  The keys on the left should mostly come out the left speaker and the keys on the right would come mostly out the right speaker.

I hope the answer isn't messing around with the microphones.  I am looking for a simple setting.  Thanks!

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Re: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

thorr wrote:

I haven't used Pianoteq for a while.  There used to be a preset in the Bluethner for Model 1 BA or AB.

I want to easily be able to pick a piano and make it sound like it would to me as the player if I was playing it.  I don't care about listening to what the audience would hear.  I want to hear what I am used to hearing when playing.  The keys on the left should mostly come out the left speaker and the keys on the right would come mostly out the right speaker.

I hope the answer isn't messing around with the microphones.  I am looking for a simple setting.  Thanks!

Any of the new binaural presets?

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Re: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

thorr wrote:

I haven't used Pianoteq for a while.  There used to be a preset in the Bluethner for Model 1 BA or AB.

I want to easily be able to pick a piano and make it sound like it would to me as the player if I was playing it.  I don't care about listening to what the audience would hear.  I want to hear what I am used to hearing when playing.  The keys on the left should mostly come out the left speaker and the keys on the right would come mostly out the right speaker.

Have you tried the preset labeled “Player”? I think every piano model has one. Blüthner does.

That aside, I haven’t come across any preset in any piano model I have that reverses left and right (though of course I haven’t tried them all). If you are consistently hearing low notes on the right and high notes on the left, it seems likely that you have a routing or wiring mistake in your setup.

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Re: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

Yeah, the player preset are great for that.
But i modify them, i remove the noise key because it is double with the real keyboard noise.
I try binaureal mic and "normal" mic. And for speaker, "normal" are best for me.
And I have the stereo pan from witch key i press.
I hope it will help.

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Re: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

Hansz wrote:

Yeah, the player preset are great for that.
But i modify them, i remove the noise key because it is double with the real keyboard noise.
I try binaureal mic and "normal" mic. And for speaker, "normal" are best for me.
And I have the stereo pan from witch key i press.
I hope it will help.

Indeed player presets are the best for sitting at the piano simulation.
Note that binaural mics in version 9 are not anymore available and have been superseded by binaural presets. The binaural head still exists.
Also note that key press noise is not a parameter simulated by Pianoteq, only  key noise parameter simulated is key release note which is different from key press noise and is modelled  using the delta time between note off and note on ,  perceived from a host point of view , according to old posts from Modarrt. The key release noise simulates the reset of the escapement and the noise of the key when it resets. This noise is important as it interferes with the core sound and is part of the acoustic simulation. maybe best to reduce it rather than suppressing it if you want to reduce it.

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Re: How to make it sound like you are sitting at the piano?

Thank you very much everyone.  The Player suggestion is a great start.  It appears to mostly solve the problem in a simple way.  With that being said, when trying out the NY Steinway D Player (and perhaps others), if I press the left most key on my 88 key keybed, the sound is coming from the left/center (A).  The next white key over (B) sounds like it is coming from the right. The next two keys are coming from the leftt again.  The next (E) is coming from the right.  All the keys on the right side are coming out the right.

I am wearing headphones.  I can't seem to find the binaurial mode.  Not sure if that is important or not.

Thanks again!

Edit: The various notes jumping around on the left side might just be an attribute of my own head and how my ears hear.  I haven't done a waveform analysis or anything, but it occurred to me that everyone hears different frequencies differently.  I tried a completely different program (the Abbey Road CFX Garritan Concert Grand - an excellent piano program by the way for anyone who has never heard of it), and some of the notes on the left jump around there too, but not as noticeably as the NY Steinway D Player.  In that program, there are buttons for Audience and Performer.  The Player presets seem to be what I need.  Thanks again!

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