[Orgenteq] A short interpretation of Luigi Picchi's 'Preludio'

Thank you so much for the great feedback!

Inspired by the discussion about colors and textures, I decided to do a little experiment. I recorded the exact same piece using GrandOrgue with the Friesach organ sample set, just to have a direct A/B comparison. I used a very similar registration to the Organteq version, with the exception of the Vox Celeste.

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...sachGO.mp3

It’s fascinating to hear how both technologies approach the sound. In my personal opinion, the sampled Friesach organ feels a bit more "alive" right now, and the pedal section has a significantly punchier and stronger presence.

However, both solutions have their own unique charm, and the sheer flexibility and playability of Organteq remain incredibly impressive. It really shows how far physical modeling has come.

Doing this comparison actually made me even more excited to see (and hear!) what the developers have in store for us with a future Organteq 3.

I’d love to hear your thoughts! How do you perceive the differences in room acoustics and pedal presence between the two?

Both organs sounds good but it was a bit difficult to compare when Orgtq was recorded louder and this sampled version had so very low volume. I had them on desktop side by side and tried to get the sound level kind of same volume.

Anyway, Orgtq sound a bit more clear, and sampled one is a bit like when you take away  a bit of clarity, detail…
Which one is better is about personal taste and I think people should go with what they like.

Because Friesac is sampled, everything is locked, as it was when recording the sound, so one have less flexibility in tweaking the sound - individual pipe characteristics etc.
Orgtq have no samples at all, so it allows for detailed, note-by-note, and pipe-by-pipe customization etc etc. The sound is created  in real time when you are playing.
For example pipe-specific parameters in Organteq:
each stop can be voiced pipe-per-pipe:
volume
detune
brightness
air noise
wind jitter
chiff amount
tremulant sensitivity

Regarding your …”the pedal section has a significantly punchier and stronger presence”. 
The last bass note in the last chord in the Organteq version is much stronger than in the sampled version. A lot depends on your settings in the recording. It is easy to get a strong bass tone, for example, by turning up the volume in the bass stop or changing to a stronger bass stop. I think the bass sound and volume can be incredible strong in Orgtq , if one want to. Here an short example , listen to the lowest bass tone..in the last chord.

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...0choir.mp3

”…..what the developers have in store for us with a future Organteq 3. I’d love to hear your thoughts! How do you perceive the differences in room acoustics and pedal presence between the two?” :

Well, after so many years, from 2006, Modartt have  found their place in the sun. Ever since 2013 when I started, I have learned that Modartt is always working on something. And as for Organteq, they certainly haven't forgotten us, we are important to them with our feedback. I guess there will definitely be an update at some point.

Regarding room acoustics, we have to remember that there is already some kind of acoustics involved when you do the sampling - what kind of room the organ is in. We can add our own reverb but the sampling acoustic of some kind is involved. We can't remove it. So we can't make a sampled organ sound the same as a modeled one. Even if we had the same stops. It is the same with sampling pianos. We don’t know the room acoustic.
These are my personal thoughts based on the experience I have.

But -  on the whole, I can play well with a sampled organ, I have had several before I found Oganteq Alpha 2017 and Organteq 1 November 2019.

But Organteq is my choice. It fascinates me that you can edit so many parameters and create so many incredibly varied sounds. I have tried to make it into a theater organ and a Hammond organ, among other things. There are examples among my perhaps over 300 recordings among my 780 uploads Ptq/Orgtq.

Thank you for your great interest and kindness.

Best wishes,

Stig

Hi Stig,

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this detailed comparison and for your incredibly insightful feedback!

You are absolutely right about the volume difference—I definitely should have normalized the levels better before uploading. That volume gap certainly plays a huge role in how "punchy" the pedal is perceived. Your audio example of the customized bass stop in Organteq is very impressive and proves exactly your point.

Your explanation regarding the "locked-in" room acoustics of samples makes total sense to me. That is exactly the limitation of sampled sets and the true genius of physical modeling.

I am truly fascinated by your deep knowledge of Organteq’s voicing parameters. Transforming it into a theater organ or a Hammond sounds absolutely incredible! Since I am still quite new to the deep-tweaking side of Organteq and lack the technical expertise to build these sounds from scratch, I was wondering: Would you perhaps be willing to share some of your custom organ presets/models with us?

Furthermore, I would be highly interested to learn a bit more about how you actually do it. If you ever have the time, maybe you could write a little bit about your workflow or share some basic tips on how to approach pipe-by-pipe customization? It would be an amazing learning resource for users like me who want to explore these "unknown musical lands" but don't quite know where to start.

Thanks again for your kindness, your experience, and for making this forum such a welcoming place!

Best wishes,
Christian (Klangpost)