Topic: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

Hi. This piano has a mid in an doutports and it has a usb to host. I know tis can transmit midi from my computer and play the pianoteq on my ppiano. However, can I use this same port with my phone to transport and have the piano play the sounds coming from Pinaoteq if that makes sense.

Re: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

Hi, no, you can't transmit audio via midi (including usb to host).

If the piano has a line-in (I think the transacoustics do?), you can run a stereo cable from your iphone or computer, to the Transacoustic's line-in.

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Re: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

Okay. I know you can't transmit the adio via the usb port. What I meant is transacoustics can play stuff via their speaker, but I guess not because of the way it would have to come back. So I would need to output to a speaker or headphones is that right? I'm still new to this stuff. I don't really understand all the ports of my piano, and the people who sold it to me are mostly acoustic knowledgeable.

daniel_r328 wrote:

Hi, no, you can't transmit audio via midi (including usb to host).

If the piano has a line-in (I think the transacoustics do?), you can run a stereo cable from your iphone or computer, to the Transacoustic's line-in.

Re: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

So it would work like this, phone connected to USB host port with USB A to B cable. then, I plug headphones into 3.5 millimeter jack on piano. is that correct? I promise I'm pretty smart, but I always mess up a few times when it's something new.

daniel_r328 wrote:

Hi, no, you can't transmit audio via midi (including usb to host).

If the piano has a line-in (I think the transacoustics do?), you can run a stereo cable from your iphone or computer, to the Transacoustic's line-in.

Re: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

Edit: My apologies... I somehow read right past that you were asking about a phone, not a computer. I’ll leave this in case the links to the manual and the downloads page are still useful. Obviously you’re talking about an iPhone, so the driver would not be needed, but whether it can interface with iOS or only Windows and MacOS, I don’t know. It uses the class-compliant driver on MacOS, so it might work on iOS, too.

EdenLInnea wrote:

Hi. This piano has a mid in an doutports and it has a usb to host. I know tis can transmit midi from my computer and play the pianoteq on my ppiano. However, can I use this same port with my phone to transport and have the piano play the sounds coming from Pinaoteq if that makes sense.

This page of the owner’s manual — if I’ve found the correct manual — says that the usb-to-host port can transfer both MIDI and audio. I was not able to find clear instructions anywhere as to how to use the device to play a virtual instrument hosted on a computer (like Pianoteq) and route the sound back to the piano, but in principle that should be possible.

If you’re on a Windows computer, you probably want to download and install the first driver listed here.

(Following for Windows; might be different elsewhere:)

Having installed the driver and connected the piano, open Pianoteq, click the Options button and choose the Devices tab. You should be able to select the Yamaha in the Active MIDI Inputs box. Below that, set Audio device type to ASIO. Then you should be able to select the Yamaha in the Device drop-down. I can’t say what the remaining settings should be; probably whatever comes up by default will be a good place to start.

Last edited by Coises (Today 04:12)

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EdenLInnea wrote:

Hi. This piano has a mid in an doutports and it has a usb to host. I know tis can transmit midi from my computer and play the pianoteq on my ppiano. However, can I use this same port with my phone to transport and have the piano play the sounds coming from Pinaoteq if that makes sense.

Your piano model connects MIDI to and from a phone via bluetooth.  Audio it limits from the phone to the soundboard of the piano, though not visa versa  —but via bluetooth also.  So I conclude that via bluetooth you can play at the piano while it transmits MIDI to PIANOTEQ and PIANOTEQ in turn its audio to the piano, in fact subsequently the soundboard.

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Re: connection this to my Yamaha Ta3 piano

Coises wrote:

This page of the owner’s manual — if I’ve found the correct manual — says that the usb-to-host port can transfer both MIDI and audio. I was not able to find clear instructions anywhere as to how to use the device to play a virtual instrument hosted on a computer (like Pianoteq) and route the sound back to the piano, but in principle that should be possible

Good find Coises!! I had no idea some pianos support this. Mine doesn't, so I'm jealous!

So, for this to work, the host (windows or the ios device) needs to recognise the connected piano as an audio interface aka sound card, and the audio output in Pianoteq needs to be set to it. If it doesn't appear in the device selection, more work is required.

Windows may need drivers, and the iOS device may need a camera adapter - for reasons only known to apple, just a usb cable doesn't work for audio data transfer, so you need to put a dongle in between. This is a bit painful, as the official Apple camera adapter is expensive and the 3rd party ones often don't work (I needed to do some dumpster diving on Amazon before finding one that worked). So maybe try making it work on Windows first?

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EdenLInnea wrote:

Hi. This piano has a mid in an doutports and it has a usb to host. I know tis can transmit midi from my computer and play the pianoteq on my ppiano. However, can I use this same port with my phone to transport and have the piano play the sounds coming from Pinaoteq if that makes sense.

It looks like that are conflicting information depending on which source you read .
The Yamaha hub source says

« Use the piano as a MIDI controller for triggering virtual instruments.
Play audio through the TransAcoustic’s sound system from an external Bluetooth®-enabled device or the piano’s stereo 1/8-inch audio input jack.
Output audio directly from your piano using the Aux Output jacks to connect to a PA system or other analog device.
Connect via Bluetooth, USB or Wi-Fi to the Yamaha Smart Pianist app, which shows the score of preset songs as well as offering recording options and more. »

You can verify immediately if the TA3 is equipped with a compliant audio interface with DAC functionality if it appears in the list of output devices when connected .

If not you will have to use line in output . Bluetooth audio is great to play backtrack for accompaniment while playing live , but latency is too high to be used for the piano sound itself.

Now with the line input , the ideal is really to use an external audio interface , connect the phone to the audio interface and use TRS output from the audio interface to the line in of the TA3 . 

Connecting the phone output directly to the line in will work but it’s not optimal because the line in entry of the TA3 expect a line level signal , while phone jacks output are not line level but are ideally ro be used with headphones .