Topic: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

There are some great updates with version 9. Very well done Modartt!

The mics panel is much more intuitive; however, In V8 there was the quick option for monophonic, stereophonic etc. and this worked great when you added the monophonic + stereo FX. I can see how it has been worked around, however, I cannot seem to achieve a true mono from which to apply stereo fx. When I set up left and right line outs using the same line out (as I see there are two options one for left and one for right), it is not a true mono signal, and of course, with v9 in order to have stereo fx there cannot be a single channel, something I liked about v.8.

I also notice now that with the acoustic pianos that there is not longer an option for stereophonic output - not a big deal, only some of my old presets were stereophonic.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

Indeed, this is a strange omission. I made presets using mono to stereo FX too.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

fulvia wrote:

I cannot seem to achieve a true mono from which to apply stereo fx. When I set up left and right line outs using the same line out (as I see there are two options one for left and one for right), it is not a true mono signal, and of course, with v9 in order to have stereo fx there cannot be a single channel, something I liked about v.8.

If you cannot achieve true mono it may come from the fact that you did not zero out the delays.

For example, if your are using two mics (with the risk of phase cancellation but this is another story), then you need to set both pans to zero but also the delays just below the pan sliders (2 delays for each mic). They need to be exactly zero for pure mono.

If using a single mic (which I would recommend), again make sure both L and R delays are zero.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
fulvia wrote:

I cannot seem to achieve a true mono from which to apply stereo fx. When I set up left and right line outs using the same line out (as I see there are two options one for left and one for right), it is not a true mono signal, and of course, with v9 in order to have stereo fx there cannot be a single channel, something I liked about v.8.

If you cannot achieve true mono it may come from the fact that you did not zero out the delays.

For example, if your are using two mics (with the risk of phase cancellation but this is another story), then you need to set both pans to zero but also the delays just below the pan sliders (2 delays for each mic). They need to be exactly zero for pure mono.

If using a single mic (which I would recommend), again make sure both L and R delays are zero.

Hi Philippe,
Will we see a return of the nice and simple mono line out to stereo FX option in an upcoming update?

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

Key Fumbler wrote:

Hi Philippe,
Will we see a return of the nice and simple mono line out to stereo FX option in an upcoming update?

Hi Fumbler, wouldn't that be redundant with selecting a single mic, which after all is a natural way for such a purpose?
The v8 mono was nothing else than a hidden single mic (hidden unless you double clicked in the mic section to see where it was).

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

Hi Philippe,
Will we see a return of the nice and simple mono line out to stereo FX option in an upcoming update?

Hi Fumbler, wouldn't that be redundant with selecting a single mic, which after all is a natural way for such a purpose?
The v8 mono was nothing else than a hidden single mic (hidden unless you double clicked in the mic section to see where it was).

Ha, that explanation would have been welcome in your first reply. I didn't know that's what it really was.

Thanks for the explanation, and fast reply. Obviously that's not as intuitive (from an interface perspective) but will do just fine now we know.
I will go back to making mono to stereo electric piano presets how I used to do in Pianoteq - IOW as you described.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
fulvia wrote:

I cannot seem to achieve a true mono from which to apply stereo fx. When I set up left and right line outs using the same line out (as I see there are two options one for left and one for right), it is not a true mono signal, and of course, with v9 in order to have stereo fx there cannot be a single channel, something I liked about v.8.

If you cannot achieve true mono it may come from the fact that you did not zero out the delays.

For example, if your are using two mics (with the risk of phase cancellation but this is another story), then you need to set both pans to zero but also the delays just below the pan sliders (2 delays for each mic). They need to be exactly zero for pure mono.

If using a single mic (which I would recommend), again make sure both L and R delays are zero.

Hi Phillpe, the thing is, when I use a single mic, or even a single line-out. the effects don't seem to work in stereo.

So, I then tried using the line out setting for both channels 1 and 2. However, when using line out #1 in channel 1 with it panned hard left, and line out #1 in Channel 2 with it panned hard right, I would expect a true mono signal; however, the meters display some slight stereo. It's not much, but it's definitely not mono! It would be nice to have a sinle Line-out from Channel 1 which could still process stereo fx, just like with a real Rhodes or Wurli.

When I tried a single mic, I noticed that the fx cannot work in stereo. Forgive me, am I missing something? Can I create a true mono signal and then apply stereo fx?

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

fulvia wrote:

So, I then tried using the line out setting for both channels 1 and 2. However, when using line out #1 in channel 1 with it panned hard left, and line out #1 in Channel 2 with it panned hard right, I would expect a true mono signal; however, the meters display some slight stereo. It's not much, but it's definitely not mono! It would be nice to have a sinle Line-out from Channel 1 which could still process stereo fx, just like with a real Rhodes or Wurli.

Fluvia, I think the best here would be that you send your fxp to the support so that we can have a close look at your settings.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

fulvia wrote:

However, when using line out #1 in channel 1 with it panned hard left, and line out #1 in Channel 2 with it panned hard right, I would expect a true mono signal; however, the meters display some slight stereo. It's not much, but it's definitely not mono!

I can't speak for the standalone Pianoteq but I verified that a single-mic mono setup produces true dual-mono when using the VSTi with two tracks in a DAW with one receiving output 1 (L) and the other receiving output 2 (R). If they're panned to center, they null.

When I tried a single mic, I noticed that the fx cannot work in stereo. Forgive me, am I missing something? Can I create a true mono signal and then apply stereo fx?

With the dual mono setup above, I'm able to get a stereo chorus sound when the two channels are panned left and right. Obvously it's not as rich as it might be with a true stereo input to the chorus, but it's noticeable.

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brundlefly wrote:

With the dual mono setup above, I'm able to get a stereo chorus sound when the two channels are panned left and right. Obvously it's not as rich as it might be with a true stereo input to the chorus, but it's noticeable.

So, is that using the Pianoteq internal stereo fx?

I have posted an FXP in the FXP corner titled Ian-Mono Test. With this FXP this is how I'm trying to achieve mono from line out signals from the Vintage Tines Mk II. The idea is to replicate a real Rhodes with a mono output (well, it would be a Mark One if it had the mono line-out as I understand the Mark Two had stereo outs from the pre amp), and then to put this into stereo FX.

I use the same "Line-Out #1" mic setting for Channel 1 panned hard left and Channel 2 panned hard right - only by doing this can the stereo FX be utilised in Pianoteq. However, in Reaper, the goniometer shows slight stereo when using this FXP. I'd expect the identical signals panned hard left and hard right in Pianoteq, to null to mono as the signals ought to be identical.

I went back to check Pianoteq 8 and with the mono+stereo fx setting, the goniometer showed a mono signal; alas, I just can't achieve that with Pianoteq 9 so as to then use the stereo fx.

Forgive me, it's no doubt not an issue really as the slight stereo is so slight from that FXP setting. It's more of an idle curiosity of mine and a kind of fixation with recreating the original.

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

fulvia wrote:

So, is that using the Pianoteq internal stereo fx?

Yes, one mic with Pianoteq's chorus. To be clear, the output of the chorus is also mono - i.e. the same in both channels - but a chorus effect does not require differing channels, just a time- and pitch-modulated copy mixed with the original signal.

I have posted an FXP in the FXP corner titled Ian-Mono Test.

I checked this out and the first thing I noticed was that that the positions of the two mics were differing by a thousandth in each axis so I wouldn't expect them to null. But setting them the same did not cure that. Possibly the mics get seeded differently or the stereo width control is affecting them (I notice the sound warbles as you move it) or something else; I don't know. I could experiment further, but if you want a mono output it just makes more sense to start with a single mic. And I don't see that the built-in chorus is going to behave any differently with a true monoi input than with a dual mono input.

EDIT: The failure of the two channels to null in the DAW seems to be a function of the panning in Pianoteq. If you pan both mics to center in the VSTi, they null, but they will not null in the DAW when panned hard left and right in the VSTi. The panning seems to be altering the signals, and not just in level.

Last edited by brundlefly (15-11-2025 20:08)

Re: Pianoteq 9: True mono with stereo FX?

I see what you said about the mic positions being slightly different, but also that matching them exactly still does not create mono.

I also better understand now that the "Line-Out" setting is literally a mono mic. That threw me earlier.

Many thanks for your help