Topic: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

Hi,

I tried it with the standalone app and in Cubase but can’t make it work.

In standalone I activate all my 11 outputs but in the microphone mixer under outputs I always have only stereo and can’t assign the microphones to my outputs.

Anyone know what I might do wrong?

It’s already nice to play Pianoteq in a multichannel reverb like black hole immersive but I would like to configure it probably.

Last edited by StefVR (19-10-2025 13:37)

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

I haven't properly looked into the 3D-Audio support of Pianoteq yet, but have you looked at the Return-Channel for the Multiout-Instrument in the Track-Inspector section of Cubase? :-)
If you activate additional channels there, you should be able to assign them.

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

I have the same question regarding multichannel output assignments for Dolby Atmos 7.1.4, but in my case I am using PreSonus Studio One 7 Pro and Digital Performer 11. In both of these DAWs the Pianoteq plugin is detected as a stereo-only instrument, so the microphones cannot be assigned to more than 2 outputs. I am using plugin Version 9.02 (Stage) on a 2024 Mac mini.

Last edited by rods (24-10-2025 04:43)

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

So, I've figured out how to assign the microphones using the instrument busses provided by the Pianoteq 9 plugin in both my DAWs. The Pianoteq manual is very vague and was not helpful (and by the way if there is a downloadable PDF manual, someone please point me to it since I can't find it and I don't want to depend on an Internet connection for that).

From the manual:


12.2. Mixer
The mixer allows you to mix up to 8 microphones into up to 8 Outputs (also named Bus). For each microphone and each active Output, you can Mute or Solo and you can adjust the Volume, the Pan, left Land right R Delay and polarity (clicking on Lor R). Your audio configuration may impact the Output behavior and you can add or remove Output clicking on the Mixed Output title.


In both my DAWs, 7 additional 2 channel busses (separate from the stereo mixed output) appear and can be assigned to tracks for monitoring/recording, BUT no actual audio is routed to them until you "add new output" in the Pianoteq plugin by clicking on "Mixed Output" in the plugin mixer.

Then you will see two tabs to the left of "Mixed Output". Each tab number corresponds to the associated stereo bus (although both my DAWs show the 7 added busses each as 2 mono pairs (for example bus 2 is shown as 2-2 instead of 2L-2R). Tab #1 corresponds to the main stereo out, #2 corresponds to bus 2, and so forth. Each tab switches the mixer to show the faders for the corresponding bus (like pages), and up to eight microphones can be assigned to the corresponding bus for that page.

So in effect you can send up to 8 different stereo mixes to your DAW. Then you have to figure out how to properly assign them in your DAW to create a 7.1.4 channel configuration that sounds appropriate for your production (in my case, I want an accurate live performance effect).

Speaking of effects, I did not find a way to route reverb or other Pianoteq effects to a separate bus, and the included effects seem to be stereo-only. I'm thinking that if you don't want the image smeared in your immersive mix, you will probably need to turn off the Pianoteq reverb and use a good 7.1.4 reverb fed by a 7.1.4 bus in your DAW.

Yes, it would have been far easier for PT 9 to support 7.1.4 directly. I had previously requested 7.1.4 plugin support. Can we look forward to that in PT 10, please?

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

Dear Rods,

happy to hear that you got it running. Indeed I think a dedicated 7.1.4 reverb is probably the way to go. You can get an offline manual in Pianoteq, clicking on the top right corner on Help -> Pianoteq manual (English). It is a 4MB HTML file containing every ressource that you can save anywhere and open in any browser.
Even if I cannot test directly your Dolby Atmos project, I would be happy to get a simple project example of yours to see how it works and maybe try in a Dolby Atmos recording studio one day.

Best regards,

Robin from Modartt

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

rtournem wrote:

Dear Rods,

happy to hear that you got it running. Indeed I think a dedicated 7.1.4 reverb is probably the way to go. You can get an offline manual in Pianoteq, clicking on the top right corner on Help -> Pianoteq manual (English). It is a 4MB HTML file containing every ressource that you can save anywhere and open in any browser.
Even if I cannot test directly your Dolby Atmos project, I would be happy to get a simple project example of yours to see how it works and maybe try in a Dolby Atmos recording studio one day.

Best regards,

Robin from Modartt

Thanks you so much Robin. I will be working on an Atmos music album slated for release next year, and can send you a pre-production example when we get to that phase of the project. Before that I need to spend time experimenting with PT 9 microphones and determine whether I will need to upgrade to PT 9 Standard if I can't get the right sound with the fixed mic positions of the Stage version.

This is a great time to be using Pianoteq... it just keeps getting better and better!

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

I'm trying out the Standard Version demo to see how the movable microphone positions could work for Atmos. I've run into several issues thus far...

Most spatial audio microphone arrays use more than 8 mics, and many employ supercardiod mic designs. Since Pianoteq is limited to 8 mics and no supercardioid models, there are only a couple of well-known techniques that I can try. The one I tried is the Hamasaki Cube- 4 figure eight mics and 4 cardioid mics arrayed in a cube shape. In Pianoteq I don't see an accurate way of measuring the distance between mics with the plugin's GUI to get the cube dimensions exact. Am I missing something?

Also, I am getting crashes every time I try to link microphones in more than two busses. I can link two mics in the main bus, and two mics in bus #2, but then linking two more mics in bus #3 it crashes my DAW every time. I'm using Studio One Pro 7.

I assigned 4 stereo busses from Pianoteq into my DAW as follows:

Main bus: L-R
Bus #2: Ls-Rs
Bus #3: Ltf-Rtf
Bus #4: Ltr-Rtr

Those busses were routed to a 7.1.4 bus channel with a send to a 7.1.4 reverb (Verberate Immersive). Despite the limitations, I'm impressed with the realism. Now I'm wondering if two DAW-synced instances of Pianoteq with identical sound presets would provide 16 microphones. That would let me try a few other mic techniques.

Supercardioid mic models would be great to have in the next release, along with more than 8 mics and 7.1.4 support. Also, the detachable mic mixer is a great idea but how about making it separately resizable?

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

rods wrote:

I'm trying out the Standard Version demo to see how the movable microphone positions could work for Atmos. I've run into several issues thus far...

Not sure if Pro has different (more refined) microphone emulation features than Standard.  It's been a while since looked at that specifically.

rods wrote:

Most spatial audio microphone arrays use more than 8 mics, and many employ supercardiod mic designs. Since Pianoteq is limited to 8 mics and no supercardioid models, there are only a couple of well-known techniques that I can try. The one I tried is the Hamasaki Cube- 4 figure eight mics and 4 cardioid mics arrayed in a cube shape. In Pianoteq I don't see an accurate way of measuring the distance between mics with the plugin's GUI to get the cube dimensions exact. Am I missing something?

I haven't upgraded to 9 yet (will do in the next couple of weeks--just been too busy, sadly).  So I'm still stuck with 5 microphones in v8.  However, if you right-click or long-hold the middle of the microphone icon, you should get an input dialog that allows you to manually specify axial placement in 3D space (in meters I think) and then a horizontal and vertical angle in degrees (again I think that's in Standard but I'm sure it's in Pro).  All of these are controllable (at least in Pro) by MIDI, so you could do some wild and crazy things that are functionally impossible in normal recording situation.  (Why you would need MIDI control of a ILM-style "starship filming rig" is at the very least a rare use case, but PTQ has you covered if you need motion control of microphones that matches motion control of a video rig.)

rods wrote:

Also, I am getting crashes every time I try to link microphones in more than two busses. I can link two mics in the main bus, and two mics in bus #2, but then linking two more mics in bus #3 it crashes my DAW every time. I'm using Studio One Pro 7.

Not sure what to say there as I don't use Studio One.  It's possible that's PTQ's fault generally, PTQ 9's fault specifically, or just Studio One's fault.  If it's either of the former, then giving diagnostic logs to the PTQ developers through an email like their support address is likely the best option.  Making multiple instances that don't require you to pair/link as frequently might be good.  Again, knowing nothing about how Studio One routes and sums connections, all I can do is speculate.

rods wrote:

I assigned 4 stereo busses from Pianoteq into my DAW as follows:

Main bus: L-R
Bus #2: Ls-Rs
Bus #3: Ltf-Rtf
Bus #4: Ltr-Rtr

Those busses were routed to a 7.1.4 bus channel with a send to a 7.1.4 reverb (Verberate Immersive). Despite the limitations, I'm impressed with the realism. Now I'm wondering if two DAW-synced instances of Pianoteq with identical sound presets would provide 16 microphones. That would let me try a few other mic techniques.

Sounds plausible--assuming the crash problem goes away.  Two instances of the VST should work correctly in parallel the way you plan, at least as far as microphones are concerned.  The only ways I would envision that getting into trouble is either if Studio One isn't hyper-precise with it's CPU/global clocking (though you'd have something like that in the real world with any analog rig where reality causes a jitter-like equivalent that we usually call "warmth" and say it adds character) or if you route different notes/MIDI instructions to different instances as the resonance model won't know about what the instance is doing.  As long as you're passing the same MIDI data to both instances, the model/engine should just treat the second instance as an extension of the first (especially if you're not summing the inputs in a weird way that causes phasing down the road but since you're entering it into a spatial reverb engine/emulator, your end use case isn't mono broadcast that somehow retains the character of the Atmos mix--as that's just impractical and impossible).

rods wrote:

Supercardioid mic models would be great to have in the next release, along with more than 8 mics and 7.1.4 support. Also, the detachable mic mixer is a great idea but how about making it separately resizable?

Agreed.  I like all of these ideas, and hypercardioid would also be welcome as room mic option.  I'm looking forward to any future additions to the microphone system.

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Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

tmyoung wrote:

However, if you right-click or long-hold the middle of the microphone icon, you should get an input dialog that allows you to manually specify axial placement in 3D space (in meters I think) and then a horizontal and vertical angle in degrees (again I think that's in Standard but I'm sure it's in Pro).

Thanks, tmyoung! It is in Standard. I think the measurement is in meters. Now I have a perfect 2m cube!

Making multiple instances that don't require you to pair/link as frequently might be good.

Can you elaborate on that please?

The only ways I would envision that getting into trouble is either if Studio One isn't hyper-precise with it's CPU/global clocking (though you'd have something like that in the real world with any analog rig where reality causes a jitter-like equivalent that we usually call "warmth" and say it adds character) or if you route different notes/MIDI instructions to different instances as the resonance model won't know about what the instance is doing.  As long as you're passing the same MIDI data to both instances, the model/engine should just treat the second instance as an extension of the first (especially if you're not summing the inputs in a weird way that causes phasing down the road but since you're entering it into a spatial reverb engine/emulator, your end use case isn't mono broadcast that somehow retains the character of the Atmos mix--as that's just impractical and impossible).

Agreed. I will have to try it and and post the results here.

Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

rods wrote:

Thanks, tmyoung! It is in Standard. I think the measurement is in meters. Now I have a perfect 2m cube!

Nice!  Glad that's working!

rods wrote:
tmyoung wrote:

Making multiple instances that don't require you to pair/link as frequently might be good.

Can you elaborate on that please?

In theory, you could fully compartmentalize and have an individual instance for each microphone.  Also, technically speaking, you might not need to pair microphones at all--as long as they're routing to the correct output, as the pairing function (if my memory serves) is more about organization, user interface accessibility, and convenience than actually changing how the microphones behave from an i/o standpoint.  Another possibility is that the crashes have more to do with Studio One's internal input/output routing, in which case, limiting yourself to 4 microphones per instance might just be what you're needing.  So, with enough CPU, four instances with four microphones each might avoid the crashing problem while giving you the 16 microphones mentioned earlier (just a theory but promising).

rods wrote:

Agreed. I will have to try it and and post the results here.

Great!  Keep us posted!  I'm really curious to see if we can make this work.

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Re: Setup Pianoteq for 7.1.4 Multichannel outputs

rods wrote:

Also, I am getting crashes every time I try to link microphones in more than two busses. I can link two mics in the main bus, and two mics in bus #2, but then linking two more mics in bus #3 it crashes my DAW every time. I'm using Studio One Pro 7.

I can confirm this happens in Cakewalk Sonar as well.

Now I'm wondering if two DAW-synced instances of Pianoteq with identical sound presets would provide 16 microphones.

I suspect this might be problematic because the two instances won't always be initialized with the same seed value and will produce slightly different output as a result, causing phase interference. But it might depend on how a specific DAW initializes the VSTi and/or how it handles real-time/offline rendering.