Topic: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

Hi all - was chatting with David Lai over at the Pianoclack forum. He's one of those people to whom Pianoteq sounds metallic and artificial.

Here's his video - great performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZTgDvFS-uk

He gave me the MIDI file and we settled on the 280VC bothering him the least.

Here's the Dropbox folder: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/l2pft4ez...d&dl=0

Therein you'll find the FLAC file for the Pianoteq rendition and the preset file I made to get it.

In case anyone likes how it sounds. We arrived at this version after some back-and-forth of feedback.

I also put in the "vanilla" preset rendition so you hear the difference, then another one with lowered duplex resonance.

Let me know what you think.

He still thinks it sounds harsh and artificial at the higher registers, I've already lowered hammer hardness etc.

Any suggestions? I have PTQ STD 9.

Re: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

Heya, I haven't looked at the preset in detail, but as a general idea have you made any microphone substitutions? The SF12 for close, R84 for distant (while an unconventional arrangement) is a lot warmer than the normal set ups. You can even boost the relative delay between left and right by a few ms for extra smoothing.

I'm basing this off my theory that the people who feel Pianoteq sounds synthetic get this from the pickup being too clean

Last edited by daniel_r328 (Today 08:44)

Re: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

daniel_r328 wrote:

Heya, I haven't looked at the preset in detail, but as a general idea have you made any microphone substitutions? The SF12 for close, R84 for distant (while an unconventional arrangement) is a lot warmer than the normal set ups. You can even boost the relative delay between left and right by a few ms for extra smoothing.

I'm basing this off my theory that the people who feel Pianoteq sounds synthetic get this from the pickup being too clean

Thanks, haven’t tried that. Check the examples though - I did renderings with my preset plus a few other modified ones.

Re: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

daniel_r328 wrote:

Heya, I haven't looked at the preset in detail, but as a general idea have you made any microphone substitutions? The SF12 for close, R84 for distant (while an unconventional arrangement) is a lot warmer than the normal set ups. You can even boost the relative delay between left and right by a few ms for extra smoothing.

I'm basing this off my theory that the people who feel Pianoteq sounds synthetic get this from the pickup being too clean

You're possibly onto something, daniel_r328.  A microphone as perfect as a PIANOTEQ Perfect Omni mic having no distortion happens to exist nowhere outside its own virtual space.  About any of the other types of microphones whether virtual or the physical, especially since the latter were used to record the sample libraries with lots of color they add in high frequencies, people likely had been accustomed to hear their piano recordings —sampled and other— produced more out of the color than out of innovation (that is) a distortion free and seemingly colorless virtual microphone.  Such modern innovation MODARTT brings to people, new producers and musicians alike  —but who are resistant to change!

You do realize outside PIANOTEQ few individuals get to sit at not just one but an extremely large assortment of brand new pristine pianos costing upwards of $80,000 each approximately and get also to convey er report back to you on exactly what they heard respectfully from each key of every instrument played inside either old world or recently constructed European concert halls!  (Few from their own experiences are in any real position today to tell you, what you should expect to hear if —or whenever— seated at a piano bench and you're about to render (however highly anticipated) a concert from your own repertoire.)

Honestly ever since digital became a thing widely accepted to music producing, people have gotten their own various methods —some at high prices and others given to them— to deal with just whatever they deem digitally still too harsh and specifically in high frequencies...

Your suggestion of ribbon mics I myself just got to try out now.

Thank you!

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Re: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

Thinking about it... I wonder what David would make of the new Sombre presets. Those sound much more mastered to me than the other presets, so someone with a preference for sampled pianos might find these preferable!

Re: Tuning assistance appreciated for 280VC

daniel_r328 wrote:

Thinking about it... I wonder what David would make of the new Sombre presets. Those sound much more mastered to me than the other presets, so someone with a preference for sampled pianos might find these preferable!

He can't stand notes above G5 even with the Sombre presets. We went back and forth a lot. If you have time to check the samples in the dropbox folder I sent it would be cool.