Pianoteq 9 When and What (Page 4 of 5)

The download link (MAC arm/universal PTQ9) seems to be broken. (15H35-Paris)

The download link (MAC arm/universal PTQ9) seems to be broken. (15H35-Paris)

Still waiting for version 9 to appear in my user area. Anyone else?

Edit to clarify: I upgraded but using a voucher code which might be the issue.

No problem! I have done, and also tried it on different browsers and devices. I'll wait a while.

YvesTh wrote:

For the standalone I was dreaming of individual key velocity curves

Yves, in the velocity panel, on the left side, you will see a hyphen between mp and mf: it is the velocity offset, new in Pianoteq 9. Drag it up or down to discover how it works. And this may interest you: this offset can be adjusted Note per Note in Standard and PRO versions.

YvesTh wrote:

I didn't quite understand how the value from 0 to 1

In fact it ranges from -1 to +1. The more the value is below 0, the harder it gets to play fff (like if you had pulled down the velocity curve). The more the value is above 0, the easier it gets to play fff (like if you had pulled up the velocity curve). Observe BTW how the ppp pp mp... fff letters move while changing the offset.

On my system (MacBook M1 Pro, 16 Gb Ram) CPU seems to be above double the one in PTQ 8 for the same settings. I don´t remember such a surge in CPU consumption in previous upgrades. As of the sound, will nee to further test.

BlackForest wrote:

I experience on my Windows 10 PC crackling in the audio.  The CPU load doesn't seem overly high though.

Try using a lower sample rate and/or larger audio-buffer size in Options-->Devices

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

YvesTh wrote:

I didn't quite understand how the value from 0 to 1

In fact it ranges from -1 to +1. The more the value is below 0, the harder it gets to play fff (like if you had pulled down the velocity curve). The more the value is above 0, the easier it gets to play fff (like if you had pulled up the velocity curve). Observe BTW how the ppp pp mp... fff letters move while changing the offset.

Thank you, that's what I understood, but my question was more about how the shift occurred along the curve. For example, with offset=+0.5, will the velocities vary identically (5 becomes 10, 40 becomes 45, and 100 becomes 105), or will the curve be distorted (5 becomes 6, 40 becomes 45, 60 becomes 70, and 100 becomes 110) like if normal keyboard curve become slow keyboard curve?

Yes it will be distorted non linearly, as you say, similarly to the velocity presets called "moderately slow keybard" etc.

Pianistically wrote:

I ran a comparison in audacity of one midi file rendered with same preset and parameters with both Bösendorfer 280 VC and Kawai Shigaru EX  . I mix and render the version 8 rendition  after inversion and version 9 . The mix shows a non null audio file result

Out of interest, in terms of amplitude/energy, roughly what %age of the sound does the difference amount to? Obviously there isn't a 1-2-1 relationship between sound quality improvement and that measure, but I'm curious nonetheless

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Wow, what a difficult question! I guess you are speaking about the condition parameter? It is programmed in terms of parameters variations, not in years, and how fast it varies depends on the piano brand and model, the climate, etc. Sorry for the cloudy answer

Oh no, not at all! I was just interested in the details of Pianistically's experiment of subtracting the v8 audio from the v9. They said they've seen a difference and I wanted to know the weight of the difference.

In general, I appreciate that this is a reductive question, as the v9 improvements will be the result of careful parameter balancing. I'm just asking out of pure, unproductive curiosity .

Edit: Ah, I now see that writing '%age' must be confusing - I meant this as 'percentage', not 'age'. Sorry!

I don't have the knowledge nor the skills/tools to do this myself, but to me it would be very interesting to hear what the difference between the versions sounds like, isolated. I also wonder if subtracting the ptq9 sound from the ptq8 sound is any different from subtracting the ptq8 sound from the ptq9. Would it be like listening to what they removed vs what they added, or is it the same. My gut feeling is that its the same thing, or it depends on how the substraction is done.

Pianistically wrote:

for info , I ran a comparison in audacity of one midi file rendered with same preset and parameters with both Bösendorfer 280 VC and Kawai Shigaru EX  . I mix and render the version 8 rendition  after inversion and version 9 . The mix shows a non null audio file result , therefore all instruments benefit from changes introduced in the latest model , including the latest ones above.
The new Pianoteq 9 sounds phenomenal with a very rich sound and the latest UI improvements (new soundboard graphic design, velocity offset at note level , mics mixing, global hammer slider, and LED switches) are really well thoughts.  Sombre presets are also dead gorgeous for cinematic or atmosphere renditions. I am really impressed by the massive amount of changes between version 8 and 9. Congrats to the Modartt team and all contributors !

just trying to understand, so you were trying to do a null test between same settings of different models between PTQ8 and PTQ9?
One of the beautiful things of PTQ is that sound is synthesised in real time with subtle differences for each key press, so you wouldn´t be able to null one model in PTQ8 with the exact same model in PTQ8 (no typo, I mean the same version) - let alone changing versions.
If you look at the spectrum of a note as it decays you'll see that there is a lot of modulation in both amplitude and frequency, and no two notes - when played repeatedly - are exactly the same, so no chance of canceling each other out. and that is leaving the transient aspect aside.
on top of that, on average, PTQ9 plays a few 1/10s of dB louder than PTQ8, all else being equal, so no chance of a null from there too.

but maybe I got you wrong. not trying to be confrontational or anything, just trying to understand your methodology and purpose.

Perfect, that's what I was hoping for. However, I have a problem saving these settings. Once I have defined my global curve and individual corrections, I save them as “personal velocity” preset (I have checked “enable global velocity curves.)” When I change instrument or presets, the global curve remains (ok), but the corrections in "note edit" disappear. If I reactivate my “personal velocity” preset they come back (so they are saved correctly in "velocity perso"). Is it a bug ? I would like to be able to keep these corrections for all pianos without having to use the freeze tool. Thank you very much.

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