Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Pianistically wrote:
BlackForest wrote:

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Prediction 1 has passed...patience is a virtue...:-)

Indeed it is and the more radical the changes and improvements are being made the longer the recursive testing is going to take . That said , being at the origin of the thread , I wonder if what is coming next is a version 9.0 or a version 8.5 with revoicing of all instruments , taking into consideration changes that could have been made in the latest Bosendorfer and Shigaru Kawai . In the thread we only looked at major version release dates as a source of data , but we haven’t  considered minor versions which sometimes are quite substantial . In fact since version 3 , there was a .5 minor version for any version : 3.5 , 4.5 ,5.5 , 6.5 , 7.5 the latest having been a significant upgrades as all acoustic pianos were revoiced .   In all cases no matter the release number , one can be sure this is going to be substantial release given the time it is taking .

To fully satisfy current customers, modernising all the older models would be one option instead of making everyone buy the new models to get the enhanced modelling.

Another option would be to offer exchanges for models that won’t be modernised (so for example if they abandon K2, exchange it for another one).

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

dikrek wrote:
Pianistically wrote:
BlackForest wrote:

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Prediction 1 has passed...patience is a virtue...:-)

Indeed it is and the more radical the changes and improvements are being made the longer the recursive testing is going to take . That said , being at the origin of the thread , I wonder if what is coming next is a version 9.0 or a version 8.5 with revoicing of all instruments , taking into consideration changes that could have been made in the latest Bosendorfer and Shigaru Kawai . In the thread we only looked at major version release dates as a source of data , but we haven’t  considered minor versions which sometimes are quite substantial . In fact since version 3 , there was a .5 minor version for any version : 3.5 , 4.5 ,5.5 , 6.5 , 7.5 the latest having been a significant upgrades as all acoustic pianos were revoiced .   In all cases no matter the release number , one can be sure this is going to be substantial release given the time it is taking .

To fully satisfy current customers, modernising all the older models would be one option instead of making everyone buy the new models to get the enhanced modelling.

Another option would be to offer exchanges for models that won’t be modernised (so for example if they abandon K2, exchange it for another one).

Whilst my favourite piano (Yamaha CFX) isn’t currently available for Pianoteq, I would prefer to have a significant improvement with the current audio engine.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

dickiefunk wrote:

Whilst my favourite piano (Yamaha CFX) isn’t currently available for Pianoteq, I would prefer to have a significant improvement with the current audio engine.

I agree with both parts of that sentiment fully. A CFX would be my top pick for a new instrument, even over a Faz (though I appreciate that's a minority opinion, a Faz would likely create more buzz and move more copies).

But then, I'm more or less happy with the range of instruments I already got, so a further refinement would be even more valuable.

But must I choose? Give me both! ...or at least either

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

dickiefunk wrote:
dikrek wrote:
Pianistically wrote:

Indeed it is and the more radical the changes and improvements are being made the longer the recursive testing is going to take . That said , being at the origin of the thread , I wonder if what is coming next is a version 9.0 or a version 8.5 with revoicing of all instruments , taking into consideration changes that could have been made in the latest Bosendorfer and Shigaru Kawai . In the thread we only looked at major version release dates as a source of data , but we haven’t  considered minor versions which sometimes are quite substantial . In fact since version 3 , there was a .5 minor version for any version : 3.5 , 4.5 ,5.5 , 6.5 , 7.5 the latest having been a significant upgrades as all acoustic pianos were revoiced .   In all cases no matter the release number , one can be sure this is going to be substantial release given the time it is taking .

To fully satisfy current customers, modernising all the older models would be one option instead of making everyone buy the new models to get the enhanced modelling.

Another option would be to offer exchanges for models that won’t be modernised (so for example if they abandon K2, exchange it for another one).

Whilst my favourite piano (Yamaha CFX) isn’t currently available for Pianoteq, I would prefer to have a significant improvement with the current audio engine.


My favorite piano is the CFX too, I also love the C7. I am really looking forward to Pianoteq 9

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

1. Improve the model
2. Add more character pianos, and uprights. In my opinion, we don't need another flagship 9 foot grand. We already have 12 or whatever it is.

It's, highly likely that 2 requires 1. So in the end 1 is always more important.

Other than that, Im satisfied with what we currently have. Its hard to think of a feature I really really want/need.

Modartt needs to start experimenting with AI if they haven't already. I think AI can do great things if it had full access to the pianoteq model. It can provide features and also help improve it.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

snurrfint wrote:

1. Improve the model
2. Add more character pianos, and uprights. In my opinion, we don't need another flagship 9 foot grand. We already have 12 or whatever it is.

It's, highly likely that 2 requires 1. So in the end 1 is always more important.

Other than that, Im satisfied with what we currently have. Its hard to think of a feature I really really want/need.

Modartt needs to start experimenting with AI if they haven't already. I think AI can do great things if it had full access to the pianoteq model. It can provide features and also help improve it.

What would be great with AI would the the possibility to upload an audio file of a recorded piano performance, select an instrument and let AI to adjust parameters to obtain the closest rendition possible from a spectrum, tone , dynamic range . It doesn’t need to be a real time feature , could be done offline . The issue here is which CPU resources do we use in such scenario . Local resources on end user computer maybe insufficient to be performant enough ; I don’t see Modartt implementing a farm of servers to implement it as it is not their core business so somehow a 3rd actor has to be part of the game and work with Modartt to deliver such functionality .  I was just thinking as I was writing the post , so it may certainly some more thinking .

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

what i would like:

(1) improve all existing pianos

(2) more pianos

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

More body, more wood  .....

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Like somebody else already asked in this forum in a different thread, I would like a .vst3 version for Linux which would allow me to load the instrument in Musescore.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Chordo24 wrote:

More body, more wood  .....

this!

a little more weight, specially in the lower register. and a bit less boxiness in the mids

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Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

mqbernardo wrote:
Chordo24 wrote:

More body, more wood  .....

this!

a little more weight, specially in the lower register. and a bit less boxiness in the mids

Yes I agree with this. The mid range on all the pianos sound boxy/honky to varying degrees. Also, the lower range sounds a little light and thin compared to the Steinway and Yamaha grands I’ve played.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Julien from the Modartt team has answered a question in the ´VST3 for Linux’ thread and has replied that a VST3 plugin version  is coming very soon’ which would suggest that a release  ( be 8.5 or 9.0) is coming soon

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Pianistically wrote:

Julien from the Modartt team has answered a question in the ´VST3 for Linux’ thread and has replied that a VST3 plugin version  is coming very soon’ which would suggest that a release  ( be 8.5 or 9.0) is coming soon

Promising news! Thank you for sharing,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

sortie avant le black friday ? c'est le 28 novembre

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Not to speculate too much , the iOS app just updated and now has an 8 in the icon. 

I don't have criticisms for Pianoteq, I genuinely love the product, just excited for any updates they make in version 9!  I am hoping for a CFX model though!

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BU4HzVE5x/

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Ooh hype. If this ends up being legit that would be a fun way to break the news

Let's stir the pot a bit more, today the order of instruments has changed on the store page (the kawai got moved behind the steinways. Is it freeing the top billing for a new headliner?????

(All in good fun!)

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Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

daniel_r328 wrote:

Ooh hype. If this ends up being legit that would be a fun way to break the news

Let's stir the pot a bit more, today the order of instruments has changed on the store page (the kawai got moved behind the steinways. Is it freeing the top billing for a new headliner?????

(All in good fun!)

How exciting. I enjoy the Kawai and Bossie. But I would like a Steinway D update with P9.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Is the program shown in the video really Pianoteq 9? I can't understand the content of the video because I don't know Chinese.

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sskuk1 wrote:

Is the program shown in the video really Pianoteq 9? I can't understand the content of the video because I don't know Chinese.

On the one hand , I am sceptical given  the video is hosted on 'bilibili' which is similar to hostgator or godaddy and the user has only 163 subscribers and one may ask how comes an unknown chap in China would have access to a version of PTQ 9 ?

On the other end, there is a remote possibility that because of a leak , this user had access to it.  In all cases, there are some interesting ideas which have been developed in older threads in the forum.
Unique Hammer Harness slider to probably control all individual hardnesses ( piano, mf, f)  is an interesting idea which allows you to adjust by % a preset or instrument all harnesses sliders with one unique slider and has been discussed in an old thread which got the attention of P.Guillaume himself.
Graphical interfaces in the design screen have been introduced. It may be quite useful to have a visual interface for the soundboard adjustments as it is difficult to evaluate mentally the impact of a given % variation of Q factor and Impedance given the complexity of the formulas that model it.
I have noticed also that the hammer strike point has been moved from Voicing to Design  which is not erroneous as the initial  strike point is part of design and corresponds  to the physical position of the hammer to and strings whereby can fine tune its position  by fine-tuning is related to voicing . Also, the mixer introduced in the mic section is also more modern and aligned with best DAWs.

So not sure if this is mockup or a leak , but if it is a mockup , this was not done by an ignorant;

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