Topic: Underpowered (mini) PC

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

In my experience, any modern CPU should be powerful enough to run the program. But to achieve low latency without issue, it's really about the audio interface that you use.

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Last edited by hesitz (13-08-2025 06:03)

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

hesitz wrote:
sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Thank you for this. I didn't know how powerful the iPad option is. I will look into this option.

A couple of questions...

How do I get my midi in?

Are there any breakout-box options?


It does seem like an all-round solution.

Thanks again,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

sigasa wrote:
hesitz wrote:
sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Thank you for this. I didn't know how powerful the iPad option is. I will look into this option.

A couple of questions...

How do I get my midi in?

Are there any breakout-box options?


It does seem like an all-round solution.

Thanks again,

Warmest regards,

Chris

I have an old A10-based iPad and pianoteq works perfectly on it

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

sigasa wrote:
hesitz wrote:
sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Thank you for this. I didn't know how powerful the iPad option is. I will look into this option.

A couple of questions...

How do I get my midi in?

Are there any breakout-box options?


It does seem like an all-round solution.

Thanks again,

Warmest regards,

Chris

MIDI is sent to iPad through USB. So no big deal.

Simple setup example:

MIDI controller / digital piano -----> USB-hub
iPad -----> USB-hub
audio interface -----> USB-hub
speakers -----> audio interface

Thats it.

Some digital pianos have built in audio-interfaces and allow for audio to be sent back to the instrument and to use the pianos built in speakers. This is the case on my CSP-170. If you have that, you can just connect the ipad directly to the instrument with a usb cord and thats all you need.

Last edited by snurrfint (13-08-2025 12:47)

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

dikrek wrote:
sigasa wrote:
hesitz wrote:

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Thank you for this. I didn't know how powerful the iPad option is. I will look into this option.

A couple of questions...

How do I get my midi in?

Are there any breakout-box options?


It does seem like an all-round solution.

Thanks again,

Warmest regards,

Chris

I have an old A10-based iPad and pianoteq works perfectly on it

Thank you. I'm looking at an iPad Air with an M3 processor.

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

I use PTQ on both an iPad Pro with M2 and a Mac mini M2 (16GB RAM) - it runs well on both but personally prefer it on the mini for a number of reasons, a) can use a bigger monitor for reading music & using other software in conjunction with it and the fact that I don't have to mess around with iPad's file system (air drop and all that comes to mind) but the experience for me started on a very old MacBook hence still used to that I guess.

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

jamiecw wrote:

I use PTQ on both an iPad Pro with M2 and a Mac mini M2 (16GB RAM) - it runs well on both but personally prefer it on the mini for a number of reasons, a) can use a bigger monitor for reading music & using other software in conjunction with it and the fact that I don't have to mess around with iPad's file system (air drop and all that comes to mind) but the experience for me started on a very old MacBook hence still used to that I guess.

Thank you for more food for thought. Very helpful,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Underpowered (mini) PC

sigasa wrote:
hesitz wrote:
sigasa wrote:

Hi all,

Any advice on what to run Ptq on that would handle it's demands easily?

I'm used to PCs but am open to other suggestions.

I'm currently using a MelE fanless (and therefore noiseless) mini PC (Windows 11)

Please help

Warmest regards,

Chris

I think a used iPad or iPhone in the $100 to $150 range is about the sweet spot.  Higher cpu specs than any other comparably priced solution (or even more expensive solutions), plenty of grunt, low latency, no need for an audio interface, built in battery with long life, small and lightweight, built-in display.  They're just so much easier than other options, and have more cpu power to boot.

Thank you for this. I didn't know how powerful the iPad option is. I will look into this option.

A couple of questions...

How do I get my midi in?

Are there any breakout-box options?

RE: midi in.  That depends on what device you use and how old it is.  iPads have mostly had USB-C since 2020 or so.  With these the connection is same as with any other USB-C device, just a USB cable.

Older iPads, and all iPhones, have Lightning ports. If the device has Lightning, you have to get a special adapter to convert it to USB.  Apple sells this for $40, you want a version that has both USB port and a lightning port so you can power the device at the same time as it's using USB connection.  https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX5J...ra-adapter
You can find less expensive knockoff adapters on Amazon and elsewhere.  I've had a good experience with a $20 one, but some people report problems.  (I've used this with a 2017 iPad Pro and an iPad Mini 4.

That also reminds me of another good thing about using iPad and iPhones: cable-free connection with Bluetooth ("BLE") Midi
All iPads and iPhones have built in BLE Midi, which allows you to easily set up a low latency Bluetooth Midi connection, and most modern keyboards have Bluetooth Midi as a built-in feature.  Some people complain about Bluetooth latency, but this is an issue for Bluetooth audio, not for midi, which sends only tiny amount of info.  The latency is not quite as good as a cabled connection, but it is nevertheless quite good and satisfies many people.

Also, I should add that all current iPads and iPhones, and many older ones, lack a headphone jack.  This means you have to get audio out of the USB or LIghtning port.  So in looking for an adapter, you will want to find a solution that (1) has an audio jack, (2) that includes a full blown audio interface device (which I consider unnecessary).  One way of doing this is to connect a USB hub to the USB-C port or USB on the Lightning adapter.  Once you have USB hub you can easily add many usb devices.  Apple sells $9 USB to audio jack adapters (essentially a tiny usb to audio interface) that work fine.  All of that is one reason I like using an older iPad device that still has a headphone jack.  They have plenty of cpu power and simplify things by having a built-in audio jack.

Last edited by hesitz (Today 01:13)