Hello,
Did someone try this one ? I have to replace an old keyboard. Are DP like P525 or Korg D1 a better choice (it's just to play with pianoteq) ? I would have chosen the MP11 SE if there wasn't the famous sticky keys issue. I've tried both PHA-4 and PhA-50 keybeds and It's not my taste (I own an old Kawai MP8).
Thanks for your help !
Regards
Hello,
Did someone try this one ? I have to replace an old keyboard. Are DP like P525 or Korg D1 a better choice (it's just to play with pianoteq) ? I would have chosen the MP11 SE if there wasn't the famous sticky keys issue. I've tried both PHA-4 and PhA-50 keybeds and It's not my taste (I own an old Kawai MP8).
Thanks for your help !
Regards
Just some friendly wisdom gained by costly experience...
I would advise against the studiologic option. I've had two boards by them (Numa Nero and Acuna). Both of these suffered inconsistent velocity problems due to poor quality control.
Hope this helps you, Borealis.
Warmest regards,
Chris
Borealis wrote:Hello,
Did someone try this one ? I have to replace an old keyboard. Are DP like P525 or Korg D1 a better choice (it's just to play with pianoteq) ? I would have chosen the MP11 SE if there wasn't the famous sticky keys issue. I've tried both PHA-4 and PhA-50 keybeds and It's not my taste (I own an old Kawai MP8).
Thanks for your help !
Regards
P.s. if it was me, I'd seriously consider the D1
Just some friendly wisdom gained by costly experience...
I would advise against the studiologic option. I've had two boards by them (Numa Nero and Acuna). Both of these suffered inconsistent velocity problems due to poor quality control.
Hope this helps you, Borealis.
Warmest regards,
Chris
Thanks for the tip, Chris !
I wouldn't take an advice from someone who didn't actually used the Fatar TP/400W action. There are plenty of videos that are showing/comparing the action (the same action is on Studiologic Numa X GT).
I have mine SL88 GT mk2 for a month and a half and IMO it's the best action that you can get in this price range. The action is on the light side (I am also using it for organ playing), the pivot point is around 21cm, and as mentioned the action itself is already there for multiple years on the Numa X GT.
They're continously releasing software updates/fixes that you can super easily install using the Numa Player.
Best regards,
Adrian
Thanks for your answer, and experience, Adrian !
Sudiologic is kown for some reliability issues, as kawai is. Some users have some issues with the SL88 (not the GT one) and SL73 MKII. But it's good point if you are satisfied with your keyboard.
Regards
Where do you read about issues with the mk2 version?
Some forums. But your good experience is a good point (I haven't made any choice yet). Thanks again.
Some forums. But your good experience is a good point (I haven't made any choice yet). Thanks again.
Please do thorough research and, best advice I can give, try before you buy if at all possible, Borealis.
Warmest regards,
Chris
I do and try when it's possible. Seems that the D1 is nice for many users, whereas some find its keybed terrible. Such a pity Kawai didn't fix the MP11 SE issue !
Regards
Bill
I do and try when it's possible. Seems that the D1 is nice for many users, whereas some find its keybed terrible. Such a pity Kawai didn't fix the MP11 SE issue !
Regards
Bill
Yes, Kawai definitely need to look at the quality control of their digital piano range. I had a VPC1 with the dreaded slip tape issues. They are not properly regulated and many people including myself had velocity consistency trouble.
Warmest regards,
Chris
Borealis wrote:I do and try when it's possible. Seems that the D1 is nice for many users, whereas some find its keybed terrible. Such a pity Kawai didn't fix the MP11 SE issue !
Regards
Bill
Yes, Kawai definitely need to look at the quality control of their digital piano range. I had a VPC1 with the dreaded slip tape issues. They are not properly regulated and many people including myself had velocity consistency trouble.
Warmest regards,
Chris
the slip tape issue is not as such a quality control issue but more of a design issue as the slip tape is at the extremity of the key behind the pivot point and hits the metallic capstan every time you press the key and after a certain number of shocks the slip tape gets deformed . The slip tape is made of a transparent plastic tape glued over a black pad whose function is to absorb the shocks . When the tape is deformed , the transparent plastic tends to move and the black pad still quite adhesive hits the capstan and after a while there are residues on the capstan and the keys become sticky . Also variable deformation of the tape generates inconsistent velocities from key to the next . It has been fixed on the GF3 action . Kawai has also changed the slip tape in the recent versions of MP11SE and replaced it with a more solid felt . The best piano actions in the Kawai brand are the GF3 if you like long pivot length pivot keys wooden made and the RH3 if you like very fast action with excellent control of the dynamics .
I never had the slip tape issue with the VPC1 but velocities were all over the place and I found the action too heavy . On the MP11 ( not SE) which I own , I change the slip tape once a year. When the tape is new there are no issues .
Thanks for your reply, Pianistically !
Thanks for your reply, Pianistically !
You are welcome Borealis.
I wouldn't take an advice from someone who didn't actually used the Fatar TP/400W action. There are plenty of videos that are showing/comparing the action (the same action is on Studiologic Numa X GT).
I quite agree. At the moment it seems difficult to get the SL88GT but you really should try it, you'll be surprised. I've been playing it for two months now and I totally enjoy it. Action is a slightly modified version of the TP400Wood in the Numa X GT piano. No escapement which makes it react quick and sensitive. Ideal keyboard for Pianoteq.
No escapement which makes it react quick and sensitive.
Are you 100 % sure?
Thank you
Ressen wrote:No escapement which makes it react quick and sensitive.
Are you 100 % sure?
Thank you
let off escapement is a very helpful feature when the middle sensor is well positioned and allows to replicate two techniques used in classical music . (1) trigger a note from the resistance point. This allows to trigger the lowest possible velocity in a very consistent way . (2) play above the jack , used in Debussy , Ravel type of music where the fingers don’t hit the keybed but impulse enough energy to trigger a sound while using the resistance point at let off as a guide for the ruler . Some keyboards implement it very well . Studiologic is not aiming at targeting classical music but gigging musicians who don’t require this feature . I m even surprised it was implemented in the numa X GT which is a stage slab . For instance Yamaha implements let off on all of their top keyboards , except the stage CP88 .
I am interested in an GT MKII only if is free of an escapement simulation. But I could not find valid information from StudioLogic, just hearsay of influencers on the net. Eventually Ressen is 100 % sure ...
I am interested in an GT MKII only if is free of an escapement simulation. But I could not find valid information from StudioLogic, just hearsay of influencers on the net. Eventually Ressen is 100 % sure ...
it has no let off simulation and doesn’t have the Ivory top .
I recently bought the SL 88 MKII GT. It has a very very nice keybed although a bit on the stiff side. For me personally I prefer be a bit lighter like a Nord Piano....although...having a price-difference of nearly 3000 euro.... I didn't get any escapement feel of the keybed. I find the keybed very precise; I hardly miss a key with this one while playing quick runs or doing strides.
Very very positive: just plug in an iPad with Pianoteq (running in AUM) and start playing. No extra devices and cables.
The only thing that I'm struggling with at the moment is the connection between key and sound. There's some latency involved and there is not much to tune with the onboard audiodevice which runs at max 48Khz. Sound-wise: it has a decent quality (more than enough for a live gig) but a Focusrite 4th gen for example is more clear.
I recently bought the SL 88 MKII GT. It has a very very nice keybed although a bit on the stiff side. For me personally I prefer be a bit lighter like a Nord Piano....although...having a price-difference of nearly 3000 euro.... I didn't get any escapement feel of the keybed. I find the keybed very precise; I hardly miss a key with this one while playing quick runs or doing strides.
Very very positive: just plug in an iPad with Pianoteq (running in AUM) and start playing. No extra devices and cables.
The only thing that I'm struggling with at the moment is the connection between key and sound. There's some latency involved and there is not much to tune with the onboard audiodevice which runs at max 48Khz. Sound-wise: it has a decent quality (more than enough for a live gig) but a Focusrite 4th gen for example is more clear.
Why not use the iPad as the audio interface? And the SL just for MIDI? Probably lower latency that way
Yes I considered that and also tried with the Focusrite; please note that I do need an external audio device for some serious output (2x TS jack) to feed my PA especially when doing live gigs. So using the built-in audio-output of the iPad isn't good enough.
But the point is that also at a gig you want to have as less equipment as possible, so the SL was a dream setup. Just plugging in the iPad and you're good to go. Like their website says "professional grade audio interface" one would expect also to have a good setup for live gigs. But maybe it was just related to the quality, not to playability :-) And then...the Focusrite is still better in clarity and performance.
As fas as your suggestion concerns, just using it as a controller not as audio isn't that bad but that's not how it should be. Not in my case anyway.
Strange that the audio interface has latency. I have a Numa Compact 2, also with build in audio interface and i have no latency problems.
What buffer setting do you have in Pianoteq?
groovy wrote:I am interested in an GT MKII only if is free of an escapement simulation. But I could not find valid information from StudioLogic, just hearsay of influencers on the net. Eventually Ressen is 100 % sure ...
it has no let off simulation and doesn’t have the Ivory top .
Hello!
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
I used to own a Yamaha P-45 and I found the keys too short. When I played with my left hand toward the upper part of the keys, because the keys were so short, I had trouble pressing the notes properly.
Are the keys on the Studiologic GT MK2 longer?
Are you still happy with your purchase?
And just a random comment, but with Bluetooth audio there’s always some latency, so that might be a possible explanation for people experiencing delay. Of course, the issue could come from something else, but it’s a good first thing to check.
Thanks in advance!
Pianistically wrote:groovy wrote:I am interested in an GT MKII only if is free of an escapement simulation. But I could not find valid information from StudioLogic, just hearsay of influencers on the net. Eventually Ressen is 100 % sure ...
it has no let off simulation and doesn’t have the Ivory top .
Hello!
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
I used to own a Yamaha P-45 and I found the keys too short. When I played with my left hand toward the upper part of the keys, because the keys were so short, I had trouble pressing the notes properly.
Are the keys on the Studiologic GT MK2 longer?
Are you still happy with your purchase?
And just a random comment, but with Bluetooth audio there’s always some latency, so that might be a possible explanation for people experiencing delay. Of course, the issue could come from something else, but it’s a good first thing to check.
Thanks in advance!
Typically audio interface companies write their own custom ASIO drivers to ensure their hardware works smoothly on Windows and bypass Windows drivers. Studiologic relies Class Compliance use the generic Windows driver which is quite slow or a third-party "wrapper" like ASIO4ALL. On Mac there is no issues because the native Core Audio driver on Mac OS which is designed from day one for professional audio.
Regarding bluetooth Audio, the SL 88 MK2 GT doesn't support it , so it cannot be the cause of the issue.
Hope it helps .
Onaip wrote:Pianistically wrote:it has no let off simulation and doesn’t have the Ivory top .
Hello!
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
I used to own a Yamaha P-45 and I found the keys too short. When I played with my left hand toward the upper part of the keys, because the keys were so short, I had trouble pressing the notes properly.
Are the keys on the Studiologic GT MK2 longer?
Are you still happy with your purchase?
And just a random comment, but with Bluetooth audio there’s always some latency, so that might be a possible explanation for people experiencing delay. Of course, the issue could come from something else, but it’s a good first thing to check.
Thanks in advance!
Typically audio interface companies write their own custom ASIO drivers to ensure their hardware works smoothly on Windows and bypass Windows drivers. Studiologic relies Class Compliance use the generic Windows driver which is quite slow or a third-party "wrapper" like ASIO4ALL. On Mac there is no issues because the native Core Audio driver on Mac OS which is designed from day one for professional audio.
Regarding bluetooth Audio, the SL 88 MK2 GT doesn't support it , so it cannot be the cause of the issue.
Hope it helps .
RE latency: did you try adjusting (reducing) the buffer size in Pianoteq? Smaller buffer = lower latency (but higher risk of artifact).
I was recently testing Pianoteq on a current iPad mini and a Yamaha CP88 (using USB for midi and audio). At a buffer of 64 my latency was reported to be 1.5 milliseconds, and there were no obvious audio artifacts (crackles etc) that indicated the need for a larger buffer. Even at this very low latency I COULD detect it when I played both Pianoteq and the internal sound engine simultaneously (each note had two attacks). From what I have read a human "shouldn't" be able to perceive 1.5 msec of latency. Maybe the reportedly latency doesn't include some other factors. My hearing is not spectacular.
With just Pianoteq I did not perceive this 1.5 msec of latency as noticeable. Others might.
Pianistically wrote:Onaip wrote:Hello!
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
I used to own a Yamaha P-45 and I found the keys too short. When I played with my left hand toward the upper part of the keys, because the keys were so short, I had trouble pressing the notes properly.
Are the keys on the Studiologic GT MK2 longer?
Are you still happy with your purchase?
And just a random comment, but with Bluetooth audio there’s always some latency, so that might be a possible explanation for people experiencing delay. Of course, the issue could come from something else, but it’s a good first thing to check.
Thanks in advance!
Typically audio interface companies write their own custom ASIO drivers to ensure their hardware works smoothly on Windows and bypass Windows drivers. Studiologic relies Class Compliance use the generic Windows driver which is quite slow or a third-party "wrapper" like ASIO4ALL. On Mac there is no issues because the native Core Audio driver on Mac OS which is designed from day one for professional audio.
Regarding bluetooth Audio, the SL 88 MK2 GT doesn't support it , so it cannot be the cause of the issue.
Hope it helps .
RE latency: did you try adjusting (reducing) the buffer size in Pianoteq? Smaller buffer = lower latency (but higher risk of artifact).
I was recently testing Pianoteq on a current iPad mini and a Yamaha CP88 (using USB for midi and audio). At a buffer of 64 my latency was reported to be 1.5 milliseconds, and there were no obvious audio artifacts (crackles etc) that indicated the need for a larger buffer. Even at this very low latency I COULD detect it when I played both Pianoteq and the internal sound engine simultaneously (each note had two attacks). From what I have read a human "shouldn't" be able to perceive 1.5 msec of latency. Maybe the reportedly latency doesn't include some other factors. My hearing is not spectacular.
With just Pianoteq I did not perceive this 1.5 msec of latency as noticeable. Others might.
just fyi the 1.5 ms is not the RTL , just the audio latency . The real latency , specially of you use external speakers is much higher .
Pianistically wrote:Onaip wrote:Hello!
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
I used to own a Yamaha P-45 and I found the keys too short. When I played with my left hand toward the upper part of the keys, because the keys were so short, I had trouble pressing the notes properly.
Are the keys on the Studiologic GT MK2 longer?
Are you still happy with your purchase?
And just a random comment, but with Bluetooth audio there’s always some latency, so that might be a possible explanation for people experiencing delay. Of course, the issue could come from something else, but it’s a good first thing to check.
Thanks in advance!
Typically audio interface companies write their own custom ASIO drivers to ensure their hardware works smoothly on Windows and bypass Windows drivers. Studiologic relies Class Compliance use the generic Windows driver which is quite slow or a third-party "wrapper" like ASIO4ALL. On Mac there is no issues because the native Core Audio driver on Mac OS which is designed from day one for professional audio.
Regarding bluetooth Audio, the SL 88 MK2 GT doesn't support it , so it cannot be the cause of the issue.
Hope it helps .
RE latency: did you try adjusting (reducing) the buffer size in Pianoteq? Smaller buffer = lower latency (but higher risk of artifact).
I was recently testing Pianoteq on a current iPad mini and a Yamaha CP88 (using USB for midi and audio). At a buffer of 64 my latency was reported to be 1.5 milliseconds, and there were no obvious audio artifacts (crackles etc) that indicated the need for a larger buffer. Even at this very low latency I COULD detect it when I played both Pianoteq and the internal sound engine simultaneously (each note had two attacks). From what I have read a human "shouldn't" be able to perceive 1.5 msec of latency. Maybe the reportedly latency doesn't include some other factors. My hearing is not spectacular.
With just Pianoteq I did not perceive this 1.5 msec of latency as noticeable. Others might.
I'm currently using a CP-88 on my gigs and PianoTeq in the studio, but am considering using PianoTeq on my iPad for gigs as well. How do you get the audio output to feed to your speakers? Does the audio out still come from the audio outs on the CP-88? Thanks!
Pete the Greek wrote:Pianistically wrote:Typically audio interface companies write their own custom ASIO drivers to ensure their hardware works smoothly on Windows and bypass Windows drivers. Studiologic relies Class Compliance use the generic Windows driver which is quite slow or a third-party "wrapper" like ASIO4ALL. On Mac there is no issues because the native Core Audio driver on Mac OS which is designed from day one for professional audio.
Regarding bluetooth Audio, the SL 88 MK2 GT doesn't support it , so it cannot be the cause of the issue.
Hope it helps .
RE latency: did you try adjusting (reducing) the buffer size in Pianoteq? Smaller buffer = lower latency (but higher risk of artifact).
I was recently testing Pianoteq on a current iPad mini and a Yamaha CP88 (using USB for midi and audio). At a buffer of 64 my latency was reported to be 1.5 milliseconds, and there were no obvious audio artifacts (crackles etc) that indicated the need for a larger buffer. Even at this very low latency I COULD detect it when I played both Pianoteq and the internal sound engine simultaneously (each note had two attacks). From what I have read a human "shouldn't" be able to perceive 1.5 msec of latency. Maybe the reportedly latency doesn't include some other factors. My hearing is not spectacular.
With just Pianoteq I did not perceive this 1.5 msec of latency as noticeable. Others might.
I'm currently using a CP-88 on my gigs and PianoTeq in the studio, but am considering using PianoTeq on my iPad for gigs as well. How do you get the audio output to feed to your speakers? Does the audio out still come from the audio outs on the CP-88? Thanks!
The iPad audio is routed to the output jacks on the CP88. I don't recall if I had to change any settings to make that happen (because if I did, it would have been long ago!).
If it doesn't work for you please reply and I will check the settings.