Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Beto-Music wrote:

Please vote:

Are you in favor of a quite more CPU demandaing version variation of pianoteq, to get more sound details/texture, or do you prefer CPU demanding to keep around average CPU personal computer.

1-Yes, I prefer a more CPU intensive.
2-No, I want CPU demands to stay around average personal computer.

How about a slider for performance vs. fidelity? I'm not sure if this sort of thing would be technically feasible, but I'd be interested in something like that if it is. It would be nice to find a sweet spot for real-time playing on whatever hardware we each happen to be running it.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Beto-Music wrote:

Please vote:

Are you in favor of a quite more CPU demandaing version variation of pianoteq, to get more sound details/texture, or do you prefer CPU demanding to keep around average CPU personal computer.

1-Yes, I prefer a more CPU intensive.
2-No, I want CPU demands to stay around average personal computer.

I'm fairly new here.  First post in fact.  I've been testing Pianoteq for a while on various hardware, ranging from at the lower end Raspberry Pi 4, 2012 Mac mini, iPad Air 2 to higher end A14Z & M1 iPad Pro,  M1 Max MacBook Pro.  I took the plunge during the recent sale, and am very happy with how that turned out.

A few weeks ago, I would have voted Yes, but now it's definitely No for me.  Pianoteq already appears to scale very well across hardware capabilities.  Sure, some glitches in the lower end devices, but I see this as something Modartt can (and probably are) improving alongside the piano models themselves.  And maybe there already is a CPU intensive switch in the form of the two polyphony settings: Auto (Optimistic) and Auto (Pessimistic).

For new piano models, Fazioli F308 first for me, and maybe Bôsendorfer 290 Imperial alongside the 280VC. 

Also, for iPad version, which is amazing, proper portrait mode support would be really nice.  Sure, you can kind of 'fake' portrait mode via Stage Manager, but proper support would really be the icing on the cake.  It would also remove the need for many of the scrolling widgets.  An option to 'lock landscape' maybe needed for those who prefer to keep it that way.

All v best

Stuart

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

It could always have different option in terms of cpu use.

The first problem is human brain always get used much easier with better quality than the oposity. So, after try an "turbo version" that demand 3x more cpu, for example, with more quality, many people could get problems to accept the standart quality fit for a laptop.

The second problem is about create cpu demanding version, computing more elements to render more textures and get more natural tones. I don't know how much work and money this would require to reengineering of the algoritims.

ACKeys wrote:

For the sake of being a more portable solution, I would argue for #2.  Not very many other solutions can be loaded onto a modest laptop.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Hi
No we are not talking about CPU use by poliphony.
We are talking about the details of piano physics computed by pianoteq algorithm.
Think on pianoteq like a CGI computer model of a dinossaur. The more details th3 computer model have for skin texture, eyes, teeth, tail, nails, the more natural the final CGI animation will look.

stuart_tetley wrote:

And maybe there already is a CPU intensive switch in the form of the two polyphony settings: Auto (Optimistic) and Auto (Pessimistic).

Stuart

Last edited by Beto-Music (22-09-2024 00:28)

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

stuart_tetley wrote:

A few weeks ago, I would have voted Yes, but now it's definitely No for me.  Pianoteq already appears to scale very well across hardware capabilities.  Sure, some glitches in the lower end devices, but I see this as something Modartt can (and probably are) improving alongside the piano models themselves.  And maybe there already is a CPU intensive switch in the form of the two polyphony settings: Auto (Optimistic) and Auto (Pessimistic).

I don't think Pianoteq scales at all. The engine runs on the lowest common denominator. (ignoring polyphony) You essentially get the same quality on a dog slow cpu e.g. Pi 4 as an intel 14900k.

Today, even an entry level to mid range laptop CPU/iphone CPU is probably 100's maybe 1000's of times faster than the PI 4 cpu. Why not tweak that model for that level of performance. Perhaps a new model for current performance and a legacy pianoteq for people who want to run on PI's etc.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Irmin wrote:
stuart_tetley wrote:

A few weeks ago, I would have voted Yes, but now it's definitely No for me.  Pianoteq already appears to scale very well across hardware capabilities.  Sure, some glitches in the lower end devices, but I see this as something Modartt can (and probably are) improving alongside the piano models themselves.  And maybe there already is a CPU intensive switch in the form of the two polyphony settings: Auto (Optimistic) and Auto (Pessimistic).

I don't think Pianoteq scales at all. The engine runs on the lowest common denominator. (ignoring polyphony) You essentially get the same quality on a dog slow cpu e.g. Pi 4 as an intel 14900k.

Today, even an entry level to mid range laptop CPU/iphone CPU is probably 100's maybe 1000's of times faster than the PI 4 cpu. Why not tweak that model for that level of performance. Perhaps a new model for current performance and a legacy pianoteq for people who want to run on PI's etc.

If Pianoteq 9 (or later) also had a greater complexity non real-time offline mode that could also work for the lower end hardware too. It would just take longer to render on slower hardware.
Pianoteq keeps getting better each generation anyway  - the sound quality difference is going to be pretty subtle despite substantial computation anyway and is probably going to be mostly lost on real time listening as we also play and get caught up with performance.
All the better potentially to leave the extra complexity model to offline rendering?

It might be interesting to see what GPU processing could bring to the table too - and that could be real-time. If feasible that's probably requiring a massive change. Who knows. I doubt either concept is even being developed for Pianoteq really, and we will be pleased as punch with the upgrades we eventually hear. It's great as it is.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

So I just entered to ask if there is any further information for the next version, as I would like to update to pro version and I have also a great update offer for the studio version.
Any news if version 9 is going to be released later this year?

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Pianoteq new major releases are the best kept secret in the industry.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Silentman wrote:

So I just entered to ask if there is any further information for the next version, as I would like to update to pro version and I have also a great update offer for the studio version.
Any news if version 9 is going to be released later this year?

I believe that if you buy v8 today and they release v9 in the next 364 days, you get a free update. If you are asking if anybody knows if a version will be released on the 365th or a subsequent day, I am sure not even the developers will know.

So you might want to double check my statement and if it's true as I think it is, just go for it.

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

I’d like to see more attention given to the virtual microphones.  I’d like presets that cover all the often used multi-mic setups and an “auto-correct” to set the mic angles to 90 degrees, 45 degrees, etc. 

The built-in reverbs are janky.  I avoid using them, but it would be nice to have quality true-stereo impulses and a serviceable algorithmic reverb.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

I haven't checked in here for ages but to put my 2cents in: I don't want to see Moddartt investing time and energy into reverbs or other non-core matters. Improving the pianos - yes; expanding the instruments -yes; improving the GUI -yes.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

rAC wrote:

I haven't checked in here for ages but to put my 2cents in: I don't want to see Moddartt investing time and energy into reverbs or other non-core matters. Improving the pianos - yes; expanding the instruments -yes; improving the GUI -yes.

Yes these are my top priorities.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

dickiefunk wrote:
rAC wrote:

I haven't checked in here for ages but to put my 2cents in: I don't want to see Moddartt investing time and energy into reverbs or other non-core matters. Improving the pianos - yes; expanding the instruments -yes; improving the GUI -yes.

Yes these are my top priorities.

Same here.

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

I think they could clean up if they went full "GuitarTeq". There is a huge ecosystem of effects chains that take the direct signal from an electric guitar, including some that can turn that direct signal into a hollow-body steel stringed guitar . If Modartt could model that direct signal, and offer options to customize the pickups, string material, body type, and lean into creating an engine that would allow a keyboardist to play guitar licks, power chords, chugging rhythms, etc… they could become the standard for producing that direct signal. All they need to focus on is making the best model for the direct signal, and the best guitar-playing engine, and all the other companies could then provide the effects chains.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Beto-Music wrote:

Please vote:

Are you in favor of a quite more CPU demandaing version variation of pianoteq, to get more sound details/texture, or do you prefer CPU demanding to keep around average CPU personal computer.

1-Yes, I prefer a more CPU intensive.
2-No, I want CPU demands to stay around average personal computer.


1

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Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

Please vote:

Are you in favor of a quite more CPU demandaing version variation of pianoteq, to get more sound details/texture, or do you prefer CPU demanding to keep around average CPU personal computer.

1-Yes, I prefer a more CPU intensive.
2-No, I want CPU demands to stay around average personal computer.


1

1.
Pianoteq has an excellent expresive playability. But is still fake sounding and blown out of the water by a good sample vst. Thats why I never use it in recording. If they could add more detail to get closer to a sampled sound that would be a big improvement. I've not noticed much difference in sound quality in the last few releases and I think its time this was addressed. For the same price you can get some very good sampled libraries. But the potential of pianoteq is something that needs pushing forward to the finishing line.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Hi everybody. Ne forum member but Pianoteq user since v 5.

I currently use Pianoteq 8 Player with some additional Instruments an want go go all in (pro with all instruments). Is it true that there is 365 days grace period for an upcoming v9? If so it would be a no brainier to upgrade now. Or have there been summer sales in the past?

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

Major1981 wrote:

Hi everybody. Ne forum member but Pianoteq user since v 5.

I currently use Pianoteq 8 Player with some additional Instruments an want go go all in (pro with all instruments). Is it true that there is 365 days grace period for an upcoming v9? If so it would be a no brainier to upgrade now. Or have there been summer sales in the past?

[grace period]
From: https://www.modartt.com/faq

Will my licence be entitled to a free future upgrade?
Yes, all our products come with one year of free upgrades of the same product from the date of your first activation. You can read the complete sales conditions here


[Summer sale]
I've not been keeping track, but a quick Google search returned a few relevant posts from previous years
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=10591
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9661
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6647
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=5896


HTH

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

dv wrote:
Major1981 wrote:

Hi everybody. Ne forum member but Pianoteq user since v 5.

I currently use Pianoteq 8 Player with some additional Instruments an want go go all in (pro with all instruments). Is it true that there is 365 days grace period for an upcoming v9? If so it would be a no brainier to upgrade now. Or have there been summer sales in the past?

[grace period]
From: https://www.modartt.com/faq

Will my licence be entitled to a free future upgrade?
Yes, all our products come with one year of free upgrades of the same product from the date of your first activation. You can read the complete sales conditions here


[Summer sale]
I've not been keeping track, but a quick Google search returned a few relevant posts from previous years
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=10591
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9661
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6647
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=5896


HTH

Thanks a lot!!!

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

I think I had already made this request for a velocity curve per each key. To fill this gap I use velpro on pc which does the job perfectly, but on iOS I don't know any method and I have to deal with the velocity differences of my keyboard (for a few weeks now the A4 on my keyboard has been a little too reactive and I miss velpro). Why not pianoteq partner with velpro? Both are from Toulouse I Think.

Re: Pianoteq 9 When and What

genesis1 wrote:
Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

Please vote:

Are you in favor of a quite more CPU demandaing version variation of pianoteq, to get more sound details/texture, or do you prefer CPU demanding to keep around average CPU personal computer.

1-Yes, I prefer a more CPU intensive.
2-No, I want CPU demands to stay around average personal computer.


1

1.
Pianoteq has an excellent expresive playability. But is still fake sounding and blown out of the water by a good sample vst. Thats why I never use it in recording. If they could add more detail to get closer to a sampled sound that would be a big improvement. I've not noticed much difference in sound quality in the last few releases and I think its time this was addressed. For the same price you can get some very good sampled libraries. But the potential of pianoteq is something that needs pushing forward to the finishing line.

If you like samples, you should use samples.
Pianoteq is for those who like Physical Modeling.

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