Topic: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

Dear Friends,

Today the discovery of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier takes us into the key of A flat major. The tonality of A Major is very clear, light, peaceful, the beginning of the theme vaguely recalls the sound of far bells.
Bach Fugue n 17 BWV 862 is remarkable in that it has no real count subject, although here canonic conduct of the theme does not, as in the C-major fugue, appear to render the same indispensable. It may be pretty safely assumed that the brevity of the theme and its frequent recurrence induced Bach constantly to change the counterpoint instead of adhering to one fixed form; anyhow, just as smooth quaver movement is the special characteristic of the theme subject to variation of every kind, so smooth semiquaver movement in scale form is the common feature of the counterpoint opposed to it. The theme of two measures is of chord nature, and remains quietly in the principal key; the answer must therefore modulate from tonic harmony to the key of the dominant, whereby the Comes assumes a shape differing in a marked manner from the Dux.
If the motive material of the whole fugue be compared with this first period of 8 measures, it will be seen that nothing new is afterwards introduced. But how wonderfully does Bach make varied use of the motives here marked off by slurs, now spreading them out in form of sequence, now inverting them, or advancing them one crotchet in the measure, or dividing them between two voices, etc.! The syncopated motive assumes great importance, first in the episodes, but finally, also, as counterpoint to the theme-, c is really the only repetition at all faithful of the first countersubject (but without theme entry). The theme as at b is frequently employed in the interludes, but as a real theme it appears no fewer than fourteen times, and, later on, in a form which does not exactly correspond either with Dux or Comes (it has the opening skip of the fourth of the Comes, followed by the third of the Dux). I hope you liked it !

My actual setting is:

Played on Yamaha P125 piano stage                                          Video Recording Samsung Galaxy A54.
VST: Hamburg Steinway D Pianoteq Stage 8.4.0

https://youtu.be/ucUWF_Ro6_A

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

carmelo.paolucci wrote:

Dear Friends,

Today the discovery of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier takes us into the key of A flat major. The tonality of A Major is very clear, light, peaceful, the beginning of the theme vaguely recalls the sound of far bells.
Bach Fugue n 17 BWV 862 is remarkable in that it has no real count subject, although here canonic conduct of the theme does not, as in the C-major fugue, appear to render the same indispensable. It may be pretty safely assumed that the brevity of the theme and its frequent recurrence induced Bach constantly to change the counterpoint instead of adhering to one fixed form; anyhow, just as smooth quaver movement is the special characteristic of the theme subject to variation of every kind, so smooth semiquaver movement in scale form is the common feature of the counterpoint opposed to it. The theme of two measures is of chord nature, and remains quietly in the principal key; the answer must therefore modulate from tonic harmony to the key of the dominant, whereby the Comes assumes a shape differing in a marked manner from the Dux.
If the motive material of the whole fugue be compared with this first period of 8 measures, it will be seen that nothing new is afterwards introduced. But how wonderfully does Bach make varied use of the motives here marked off by slurs, now spreading them out in form of sequence, now inverting them, or advancing them one crotchet in the measure, or dividing them between two voices, etc.! The syncopated motive assumes great importance, first in the episodes, but finally, also, as counterpoint to the theme-, c is really the only repetition at all faithful of the first countersubject (but without theme entry). The theme as at b is frequently employed in the interludes, but as a real theme it appears no fewer than fourteen times, and, later on, in a form which does not exactly correspond either with Dux or Comes (it has the opening skip of the fourth of the Comes, followed by the third of the Dux). I hope you liked it !

My actual setting is:

Played on Yamaha P125 piano stage                                          Video Recording Samsung Galaxy A54.
VST: Hamburg Steinway D Pianoteq Stage 8.4.0

https://youtu.be/ucUWF_Ro6_A

Dear carmelo! Now that you've come this far, I can already say that you have made Bach proud.

You play every voices very clean. Someone said that many piano players miss the tenor voices on this piece. You play this beautifully, I like the slow tempo. Thank you carmelo again for posting this. And thanks for the description.

I noticed the first 4 first notes are like from chorale "Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern” by Philippe Nicolaj 1599. Bach copied a lot to get inspiration, i think I can attach this, you are interested in Bach, might interest someone else too:

”Bach immersed himself in music at an early age, as had generations of Bachs before him. An obituary prepared by Bach’s son Carl Philipp Emanuel speaks of his father’s “unheard-of zeal in studying.” That claim is buttressed by a discovery made a decade ago, of the teen-aged Bach’s precociously precise copies of organ pieces by Reincken and Buxtehude.  In his later years, he copied everything from a Renaissance mass by Palestrina to the up-to-date Italianate lyricism of Pergolesi. Bach became an absolute master of his art by never ceasing to be a student of it.”
And I myself learned 1982 that:
Bach lived with his strict brother as an orphan at the age of 10 and copied his brother's music even then.

Best wishes,

Stig

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

Excellence in touch and dedicated concentration.

You are able to bring out the theme in your right hand with ease and the notes rise above the texture like bells - beautifully executed, dear Carmelo. The left hand is not so easy on the modern piano to do the same especially when the theme is just a third above the other notes, this is not a criticism just how the instrument is challenging. On the harpsichord this problem is not so apparent, so we pianists need to work that much harder to achieve clarity in the bass and tenor lines in contrapuntal playing.

Your playing has improved and you must be happy with your obvious progress? You truly are a joy to listen to and your shared journey has been a delight, already you are are nearing the end, Well done !!!

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

carmelo.paolucci wrote:

Dear Friends,

Today the discovery of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier takes us into the key of A flat major. The tonality of A Major is very clear, light, peaceful, the beginning of the theme vaguely recalls the sound of far bells.
Bach Fugue n 17 BWV 862 is remarkable in that it has no real count subject, although here canonic conduct of the theme does not, as in the C-major fugue, appear to render the same indispensable. It may be pretty safely assumed that the brevity of the theme and its frequent recurrence induced Bach constantly to change the counterpoint instead of adhering to one fixed form; anyhow, just as smooth quaver movement is the special characteristic of the theme subject to variation of every kind, so smooth semiquaver movement in scale form is the common feature of the counterpoint opposed to it. The theme of two measures is of chord nature, and remains quietly in the principal key; the answer must therefore modulate from tonic harmony to the key of the dominant, whereby the Comes assumes a shape differing in a marked manner from the Dux.
If the motive material of the whole fugue be compared with this first period of 8 measures, it will be seen that nothing new is afterwards introduced. But how wonderfully does Bach make varied use of the motives here marked off by slurs, now spreading them out in form of sequence, now inverting them, or advancing them one crotchet in the measure, or dividing them between two voices, etc.! The syncopated motive assumes great importance, first in the episodes, but finally, also, as counterpoint to the theme-, c is really the only repetition at all faithful of the first countersubject (but without theme entry). The theme as at b is frequently employed in the interludes, but as a real theme it appears no fewer than fourteen times, and, later on, in a form which does not exactly correspond either with Dux or Comes (it has the opening skip of the fourth of the Comes, followed by the third of the Dux). I hope you liked it !

My actual setting is:

Played on Yamaha P125 piano stage                                          Video Recording Samsung Galaxy A54.
VST: Hamburg Steinway D Pianoteq Stage 8.4.0

https://youtu.be/ucUWF_Ro6_A

A truly masterful interpretation and a true delight to hear this extremely demanding piece from you here!
Bravissimo and thank you very much, Carmelo!

Andreas
Germany

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
carmelo.paolucci wrote:

Dear Friends,

Today the discovery of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier takes us into the key of A flat major. The tonality of A Major is very clear, light, peaceful, the beginning of the theme vaguely recalls the sound of far bells.
Bach Fugue n 17 BWV 862 is remarkable in that it has no real count subject, although here canonic conduct of the theme does not, as in the C-major fugue, appear to render the same indispensable. It may be pretty safely assumed that the brevity of the theme and its frequent recurrence induced Bach constantly to change the counterpoint instead of adhering to one fixed form; anyhow, just as smooth quaver movement is the special characteristic of the theme subject to variation of every kind, so smooth semiquaver movement in scale form is the common feature of the counterpoint opposed to it. The theme of two measures is of chord nature, and remains quietly in the principal key; the answer must therefore modulate from tonic harmony to the key of the dominant, whereby the Comes assumes a shape differing in a marked manner from the Dux.
If the motive material of the whole fugue be compared with this first period of 8 measures, it will be seen that nothing new is afterwards introduced. But how wonderfully does Bach make varied use of the motives here marked off by slurs, now spreading them out in form of sequence, now inverting them, or advancing them one crotchet in the measure, or dividing them between two voices, etc.! The syncopated motive assumes great importance, first in the episodes, but finally, also, as counterpoint to the theme-, c is really the only repetition at all faithful of the first countersubject (but without theme entry). The theme as at b is frequently employed in the interludes, but as a real theme it appears no fewer than fourteen times, and, later on, in a form which does not exactly correspond either with Dux or Comes (it has the opening skip of the fourth of the Comes, followed by the third of the Dux). I hope you liked it !

My actual setting is:

Played on Yamaha P125 piano stage                                          Video Recording Samsung Galaxy A54.
VST: Hamburg Steinway D Pianoteq Stage 8.4.0

https://youtu.be/ucUWF_Ro6_A

Dear carmelo! Now that you've come this far, I can already say that you have made Bach proud.

You play every voices very clean. Someone said that many piano players miss the tenor voices on this piece. You play this beautifully, I like the slow tempo. Thank you carmelo again for posting this. And thanks for the description.

I noticed the first 4 first notes are like from chorale "Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern” by Philippe Nicolaj 1599. Bach copied a lot to get inspiration, i think I can attach this, you are interested in Bach, might interest someone else too:

”Bach immersed himself in music at an early age, as had generations of Bachs before him. An obituary prepared by Bach’s son Carl Philipp Emanuel speaks of his father’s “unheard-of zeal in studying.” That claim is buttressed by a discovery made a decade ago, of the teen-aged Bach’s precociously precise copies of organ pieces by Reincken and Buxtehude.  In his later years, he copied everything from a Renaissance mass by Palestrina to the up-to-date Italianate lyricism of Pergolesi. Bach became an absolute master of his art by never ceasing to be a student of it.”
And I myself learned 1982 that:
Bach lived with his strict brother as an orphan at the age of 10 and copied his brother's music even then.

Best wishes,

Stig

Thank you very much Stig for your compliments and for your lucid analysis of this beautiful Bach fugue!
I also noticed a similarity between the first notes and the chorale "Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern” by Philippe Nicolaj 1599.
It was really beautiful to study and play this wonderful Fugue!
Greetings from Sardinia, today for work I am on the island...
Carmelo

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

DEZ wrote:

Excellence in touch and dedicated concentration.

You are able to bring out the theme in your right hand with ease and the notes rise above the texture like bells - beautifully executed, dear Carmelo. The left hand is not so easy on the modern piano to do the same especially when the theme is just a third above the other notes, this is not a criticism just how the instrument is challenging. On the harpsichord this problem is not so apparent, so we pianists need to work that much harder to achieve clarity in the bass and tenor lines in contrapuntal playing.

Your playing has improved and you must be happy with your obvious progress? You truly are a joy to listen to and your shared journey has been a delight, already you are are nearing the end, Well done !!!

Thank you so much DEZ for your comment!
I really gave it my all with this Bach fugue, which is really not easy to play on the piano, on the digital piano it is almost impossible to render the beauty of Bach's contrapuntal texture.
I did my best and I'm really happy that you liked it.... I'm improving, it's true, the journey is nearing its end even if soon I will have the most difficult test of the entire WTC1, the fugue BWV 865! I will work hard because in addition to being a beautiful fugue, it is one of the most challenging pieces of the entire Bach production.
Thanks again!
Greetings from Sardinia, today I'm on the island for work.
Carmelo

Re: Nev video Bach Fugue n 17 in A flat Major Pianoteq BWV 862

Organtangente wrote:
carmelo.paolucci wrote:

Dear Friends,

Today the discovery of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier takes us into the key of A flat major. The tonality of A Major is very clear, light, peaceful, the beginning of the theme vaguely recalls the sound of far bells.
Bach Fugue n 17 BWV 862 is remarkable in that it has no real count subject, although here canonic conduct of the theme does not, as in the C-major fugue, appear to render the same indispensable. It may be pretty safely assumed that the brevity of the theme and its frequent recurrence induced Bach constantly to change the counterpoint instead of adhering to one fixed form; anyhow, just as smooth quaver movement is the special characteristic of the theme subject to variation of every kind, so smooth semiquaver movement in scale form is the common feature of the counterpoint opposed to it. The theme of two measures is of chord nature, and remains quietly in the principal key; the answer must therefore modulate from tonic harmony to the key of the dominant, whereby the Comes assumes a shape differing in a marked manner from the Dux.
If the motive material of the whole fugue be compared with this first period of 8 measures, it will be seen that nothing new is afterwards introduced. But how wonderfully does Bach make varied use of the motives here marked off by slurs, now spreading them out in form of sequence, now inverting them, or advancing them one crotchet in the measure, or dividing them between two voices, etc.! The syncopated motive assumes great importance, first in the episodes, but finally, also, as counterpoint to the theme-, c is really the only repetition at all faithful of the first countersubject (but without theme entry). The theme as at b is frequently employed in the interludes, but as a real theme it appears no fewer than fourteen times, and, later on, in a form which does not exactly correspond either with Dux or Comes (it has the opening skip of the fourth of the Comes, followed by the third of the Dux). I hope you liked it !

My actual setting is:

Played on Yamaha P125 piano stage                                          Video Recording Samsung Galaxy A54.
VST: Hamburg Steinway D Pianoteq Stage 8.4.0

https://youtu.be/ucUWF_Ro6_A

A truly masterful interpretation and a true delight to hear this extremely demanding piece from you here!
Bravissimo and thank you very much, Carmelo!

Thank you so much for your comment and compliments Organtangente that I hope to deserve.
I love this piece very much and despite the difficulties it presents in bringing out the contrapuntal texture on the digital piano it is truly one of the most beautiful I have played.
Greetings from Sardinia
Carmelo