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Topic: Feature Request: Toggle mode for stops

My organ console has Launchpads for registration which I find very convenient, I wonder if it would be possible to have the stops toggled on and off, because these kind of controller pads always send a NOTE-OFF when you release the button which of course pulls the stop back in....

For example in Hauptwerk and Grand Orgue this works great. (These programs even send a Midi code back to the Launchpads for using the Leds, which is of great value as they also light up when switching registration presets).

And happily the presets ( 1 to 10 and also the bank up/down) already work this way.

I guess it is perhaps too much work to have the same functionality as in HW, but this Toggle option would be very welcome....

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Geert

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... I wonder if it would be possible to have the stops toggled on and off, because these kind of controller pads always send a NOTE-OFF when you release the button which of course pulls the stop back in....

Hi Geert,
in the "Action Mapping" tab of the "MIDI Mappings" window, you can select the "Toggle" option for all conceivable MIDI commands, which allows stops to be switched on and off alternately, e.g. via a note-on command.

Unfortunately, feedback of the executed action via MIDI signal, e.g. to control LEDs, is not possible with the current version, as Organteq does not (yet) have MIDI-Out.

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Re: Feature Request: Toggle mode for stops

Thanks for this quick reply......I will have a look!!

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... I wonder if it would be possible to have the stops toggled on and off, because these kind of controller pads always send a NOTE-OFF when you release the button which of course pulls the stop back in....

Hi Geert,
in the "Action Mapping" tab of the "MIDI Mappings" window, you can select the "Toggle" option for all conceivable MIDI commands, which allows stops to be switched on and off alternately, e.g. via a note-on command.

Unfortunately, feedback of the executed action via MIDI signal, e.g. to control LEDs, is not possible with the current version, as Organteq does not (yet) have MIDI-Out.

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Re: Feature Request: Toggle mode for stops

Ok Pat, I tried, but whatever I select i.e. Set Parameter, Toggle, incr/decr Parameter, it does not wrok; also reverse the On and Off in the Range field.  All the time releasing the launchpad buttom ( i.e. send the Note Off command) results in unwanted movement of the actual stop, while it shouldwaittill another Note On command to switch the stop of.
  I hope this can be repaired.....!!!! Thanks anyway...

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Thanks for this quick reply......I will have a look!!

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geert wrote:

... I wonder if it would be possible to have the stops toggled on and off, because these kind of controller pads always send a NOTE-OFF when you release the button which of course pulls the stop back in....

Hi Geert,
in the "Action Mapping" tab of the "MIDI Mappings" window, you can select the "Toggle" option for all conceivable MIDI commands, which allows stops to be switched on and off alternately, e.g. via a note-on command.

Unfortunately, feedback of the executed action via MIDI signal, e.g. to control LEDs, is not possible with the current version, as Organteq does not (yet) have MIDI-Out.

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Ok Pat, I tried, but whatever I select i.e. Set Parameter, Toggle, incr/decr Parameter, it does not wrok; also reverse the On and Off in the Range field.  All the time releasing the launchpad buttom ( i.e. send the Note Off command) results in unwanted movement of the actual stop, while it shouldwaittill another Note On command to switch the stop of.
  I hope this can be repaired.....!!!! Thanks anyway...

geert wrote:

Thanks for this quick reply......I will have a look!!

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Hi Geert,
in the "Action Mapping" tab of the "MIDI Mappings" window, you can select the "Toggle" option for all conceivable MIDI commands, which allows stops to be switched on and off alternately, e.g. via a note-on command.

Unfortunately, feedback of the executed action via MIDI signal, e.g. to control LEDs, is not possible with the current version, as Organteq does not (yet) have MIDI-Out.

Hi Geert, sorry for the late reply.
You wrote that your controller sends note-off commands and Organteq reacts to them inadvertently.
Question: Could it be that note-on commands with a velocity of "0" are being sent instead of note-off commands? That would not be unusual and you could check it with Organteq's MIDI monitor!
In this case, there is the option of limiting the response range to a velocity >0.
You can do this by right-clicking on the relevant note-on command in the action mapping table and then setting the desired velocity range, e.g. "From 64 To 127".

By the way, I have no problems switching the stops via note-on commands with my controller keyboard!

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Re: Feature Request: Toggle mode for stops

OK Pat, this has helped me a lot! First I tried with limiting the note-on cmnd. but then I got the idea: my Luanchpads send the note off cmd with velocity zero. So I limited the Note Off cmds between 64 and 127, et vooila....

THank you very much for your help! Greetings from the Netherlands....

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Ok Pat, I tried, but whatever I select i.e. Set Parameter, Toggle, incr/decr Parameter, it does not wrok; also reverse the On and Off in the Range field.  All the time releasing the launchpad buttom ( i.e. send the Note Off command) results in unwanted movement of the actual stop, while it shouldwaittill another Note On command to switch the stop of.
  I hope this can be repaired.....!!!! Thanks anyway...

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Thanks for this quick reply......I will have a look!!

Hi Geert, sorry for the late reply.
You wrote that your controller sends note-off commands and Organteq reacts to them inadvertently.
Question: Could it be that note-on commands with a velocity of "0" are being sent instead of note-off commands? That would not be unusual and you could check it with Organteq's MIDI monitor!
In this case, there is the option of limiting the response range to a velocity >0.
You can do this by right-clicking on the relevant note-on command in the action mapping table and then setting the desired velocity range, e.g. "From 64 To 127".

By the way, I have no problems switching the stops via note-on commands with my controller keyboard!

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First I tried with limiting the note-on cmnd. but then I got the idea: my Luanchpads send the note off cmd with velocity zero. So I limited the Note Off cmds between 64 and 127, et vooila....

Hi Geert, I'm glad you found a solution

One more question though: Why are there note-off commands in your action mapping list at all? To switch the stops in toggle mode, only the note-on commands are needed! What happens if you delete the note-off commands completely from the action mapping list?

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Re: Feature Request: Toggle mode for stops

One can not delete them, but it is possible to choose not to show them in the action window. But they still are received.  In the mean time I noticed that as soon as you input a command, there is a small screen inviting you to give this command a second time in order to get the toggle action. As it is only shwon a short moment, I had not seen this... so now there are 2 solutions and this is no longer a feature request.

Thanks again for your help!!

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geert wrote:

First I tried with limiting the note-on cmnd. but then I got the idea: my Luanchpads send the note off cmd with velocity zero. So I limited the Note Off cmds between 64 and 127, et vooila....

Hi Geert, I'm glad you found a solution

One more question though: Why are there note-off commands in your action mapping list at all? To switch the stops in toggle mode, only the note-on commands are needed! What happens if you delete the note-off commands completely from the action mapping list?

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One can not delete them, but it is possible to choose not to show them in the action window. But they still are received.

You probably mean the white field at the top, that is the MIDI monitor that shows all incoming MIDI signals. And yes, you can hide certain event types (e.g. note-off) here, but the signals are still received. But this field is only for information, as an aid when setting the yellow lines in the lower area.

In the lower area you can select and edit all MIDI events that trigger any actions, e.g. stop switching. For example, you can choose (by left-clicking on the first yellow field) whether PrgChg commands, CC commands, note events or other conceivable commands trigger the desired action. With the note events you can also differentiate between note-on, note off or both commands. Here you can also manually insert or delete lines (without using the MIDI Learn function).

In my opinion, Modartt has solved all of this perfectly and should be adaptable to any MIDI controller.
The only thing I personally still miss is the status feedback to the controller. But as we already noted at the beginning of our conversation, the software's MIDI output is unfortunately still missing.