So why guitar? (Page 1 of 2)

The guitar model isn't free (unless you have the full set). It is just another new pack. Other people could ask why harp, why steel drums and so on.

Meanwhile literally all of the pianos have been improved.

I like to customise my own patches from the electric pianos in Pianoteq. They are very good models, i'm just not keen on their Presets.

The electric pianos have been improved. The Reed model has been modified and we now have a mono out to stereo FX option.

It would be nice if they do suitcase modelling and a few more variants of the Rhodes in the future. Perhaps the new one too.
It may seem shallow but it's rather nice to have visualisations of the CP80, Rhodes and Wurly and the others.

Who's to say they won't produce a few new instrument packs in the next few months. Assuming we are all still here that is..

Lots on their plate with the iOS version and Organteq 2.

If Modartt can attract new customers with this release it would be to our advantage i think.
More customers = higher revenue = more money to develop awesome pianos!!!!

...that's my dream at least.

It's an amazing move by Modartt:

1. Shows Modartt's modeling technology to be even more superior and versatile than we already knew it was.
2. Allows incredible flexibility with layering/custom/randomizing our own sounds.
3. The sound of the guitar is astounding -- better than most you'll hear including the newly released "RealGuitar".
4. Included in Studio, even more bang for our loyalty at a 'more than fair' cost.
5. Studio work is most of the work people do.
6. On and on.

Besides perhaps a Fazioli grand the piano department is covered pretty well already
For bowed string- and wind instruments (which would have been my no. 1 wish a few years ago) there is the Audio Modelling stuff available now.
So I think a good guitar sound is a great addition! Should work particularly well with LinnStrument!

This guitar is absolutely delightful to play with. Nobody will laugh at me because I'm not trying to make people think I'm a guitarist.
Thing is, if I need a guitar part in my composition, then this addon is a great tool, as something like Audiobro or Swam are with strings, and MDrummer or Jamstix with drums, etc.
Maybe are you just playing the piano with a piano sound, then Pianoteq 8 is still a very good update ; but as far as I'm concerned, it was an instant buy for both upgrade and guitar instrument, and with no regret !

I was surprised at how fun the guitar demo is to play, and it sounds lovely, but I can't help but feel that the UI and modelling side of it seems a bit... half-arsed?

Nearly all the available parameters and descriptions are exactly the same as they are for the piano models - where can I adjust the interesting modelling stuff, like neck length, no. of strings, body size/shape, frets, etc.? I can understand if there are limitations according to the the adaptation of the piano model, but it should be better disguised, IMO.

Hi Guys and Dolls,

lil ol Pboy here chiming in on the guitar thingy:

Don't need it, don't want it.
Well perhaps if it was included free with the Update. i'd tinker a bit with it.
But i will never buy it. And i don't think a lot of guitarists will do. Or (hobby) pianists

Perhaps Modarrt better had made a separate product called Guitarteq.

Instead of focusing on a guitar, i'd rather had them come up with a new acoustic grand model.

Despite the revoicing of the pianos, i feel a bit underwhelmed of this "major" update.

Anyway, should Modarrt venture into modeling other instruments, i would be interested in  a strings-lute combo, like the Chinese Erhu, which - for my ears - is a dream companion to acoustic piano sounds ...*-)

Guitarteq, this should have been the new instrument, in the way that organteq has been released,

Every emulation with a different app IMHO.

Did you know that you can hide the instruments that you don't use?

If you haven't bought a pack you can hide it.

Where would you draw the line on separating these versions?
Electric-teq?
Harpteq?
Chromaticteq?
Harpsichord-teq
Historic -teq

I think people would soon me asking where drum-teq was or wind-teq or Strings-teq or even Synth-teq. Accordion-teq?

I love the guitar thing. Great fun at the very least. Vibrating strings, hit or plucked under one roof! Personally, I hate the tendency to have a distinct app for every single thing (like on phones or tablets). It complicates everything. Pianoteq is a lean and mean app with so much power all in the same place. It is compatible with older OS and older computers, low memory requirements, etc. What's not to love?
But some people will never be happy, no matter what!

https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/bergaqmote-pianoteq-8/

It’s a nylon stringed guitar, Steff, so no, the type of strings can’t be changed. The future might bring models of steel stringed guitars, electric guitars and perhaps even other stringed instruments, I don’t know.

Yes,  you can trigger different articulations — harmonics, mutes, glissando, thumb on the lower strings, open string, etc. … — with keyswitches. And there’s another way as well to play pretty convincing muted notes by using the Impedance, Cutoff and Q-factor parameters (lower the first two, raise the third). These parameters having a range means that you can move gradually from non-muted over half-muted to completely muted. Works really well.

Using another parameter, the Plucking Point, allows you to simulate playing closer to or further away from the bridge. Playing closer to the bridge on a real guitar, and on this Pianoteq guitar (lower the Plucking Point), produces a thinner, more pointed sound while moving away from the bridge (raise the Plucking Point) gives a fuller, rounder tone.

As for the interface: maybe you haven’t looked yet, but the GUI changes when you select the Guitar to reveal all that you need to make working with the instrument as intuitive and user-friendly as possible. (The virtual fretboard can even be detached for extra convenience.)

I think they’ve done a truly magnificent job with this guitar.

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It does! I upgraded to Pro and took the guitar for that reason. Only thing I wish is that Pianoteq would support 48 semitone pitchbend setting.

i think i'm gonna upgrade from Stage to Standard and get this guitar.

i think it does sound pretty damn good, especially for a first version.
frankly, i'd much rather use modelled instruments instead of sampled ones.
and also glad to see Pianoteq branching out with this first guitar.

i hope there are more coming.

We already have a lot of extremely good pianos, so, although always welcomed, a new piano isn't an emergency imho.

I agree that i would also prefer them to spend time on the organ family. Organteq is a fantastic product, i would love to see more specialized organs from various time periods, baroque, french, spanish, etc. And i would die for a 3 manual Silbermann (i know i'm not being original here, but to this day, i haven't heard/played anything that i like more than Bach on a good Silber, coming from Hauptwerk, where i own a lot of their available Silbers and other baroques).

That said, i find this guitar very convincing, i wouldn't be surprised to buy it some day, just for the pleasure of the sound.
And most important, the way i see and hope it (being quite a baroque person), guitar is the first step toward a luth, that will no doubt come someday now that they have the tech.
And again, being able to play Bach with a ancient luth sound would be, i'm sure, a heavenly pleasure.

So welcome to this guitar, in the hope it will pave the way for its ancesters :-)

Cheers

I play the guitar, so no real need. My $2000 Yamaha accompaniment keyboard also has amazing guitar sounds, mimics behavior like hammer ons and pull offs, and also has notes assigned for fret noise - but no glissando.
I have the pro studio version of Pianoteq, and I feel that the improvements to the pianos is a sufficient justification for the upgrade.
There are always going to be some instruments that some will never use yet others will see as a game changer.

The guitar sound of pianoteq is quite nice and I understand that modartt wanted to model it. However, if I have fun playing it, I don't feel like I'm playing guitar at all (I don't have a midi guitar neck). The DNA of Pianoteq is to simulate as closely as possible the piano playing, with a correct keyboard you really play the piano and you have for a very reasonable price the feeling of playing on exceptional concert pianos. It is the pianoteq miracle...
It is very easy to get a real guitar for a little price and to learn to play it, it is not the case for a grand piano. 

I have nothing against the guitar of pianoteq but it is for me an interesting parenthesis, not more...
But fortunately pianoteq in this version has also improved the grand pianos. It allows to wait until the next grand... I hope...

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Well done Gerard! I like it. And nice demo on Modartt website too. Keep it up!

Best,

Stig

well, now that Pianoteq 8 has been released, i think they probably will concentrate on releasing Organteq 2.
personally, i'm quite happy they have released a guitar, but that's me.

physical modelling synthesis is much more complicated than sampling a church organ or a piano etc.
it's bleeding edge technology.

just sayin'.
we just need a little bit of patience

FYI, both KIViR and Kremsegg collection were updated in 2021.

KIViR has not been abandoned, they created 3D models for those too; Also we now have mono out to stereo effects for the electric pianos improving all of those.

KIViR hasn't been revoiced in this update - yet.  As you can see from the last reply it but has been in 2021. I imagine they will be further tweeks in version 8 eventually.

Hopefully I didn't give the wrong impression, I must admit that every single one of the pianos that I've bought has benefited from this update in one way or another.  I haven't bought any of the historic piano packs, I appreciate they are are important to you. All of the instruments have been visually rendered though.  Cosmetics may be a small thing but it may help new customers come to Pianoteq.

"All contemporary acoustic pianos, the Vintage Reeds electric piano and the Concert Harp have been revoiced."

To simulate the sound of a classical guitar well on a keyboard instrument (not only on Pianoteq, but on any other instrument), you need to know how to play classical guitar.
Pretending to play a piano/keyboard style guitar will always sound unnatural, artificial.

Where is this "plucking point" feature? I can't seem to locate it.

Hi jacobspauly,

After a bit of rummaging around on the Classical Guitar module, I discovered that the "plucking point" feature is a slider at the bottom of the central Voicing Panel, which is hidden behind the graphic of the classical guitar.

This sent me back to actually reading Section 5.3. Guitar mode in the Pianoteq manual. Of course, being an old IT infrastructure specialist, one only reads the manual for an application, or for a physical system, as an option of last resort. However, it did explain what all those orange notes, to the left and right of the playable keyboard, actually do.

For instance, the orange bass D key allows you to toggle between playing the guitar with all of your fingers or with only your thumb. However, to activate this function you have to right-click on the orange triangle to the right of the Casual-Pro slider, go to Keyswitches, and then select Thumb. The key toggle is then activated and does make quite a difference in the timbre of the music you are playing, when the bass D is pressed.

Request to Pianoteq developers It is difficult to tell visually, whether or not you have toggled your thumb On or Off. Unfortunately, moving the cursor over the note doesn't give any indication as to the status of the toggle. Would it be possible, in a future release, to change the colour of the key to indicate that the toggle has been activated. This could apply to the status of all the keyswitches. It might look slightly strange, but then again so do the orange keys, but it would allow one to tell at a glance what one had toggled on or left off.

Note to Self --- six hours later Working with the Classical Guitar module this evening. with low ambient lighting, rather than during the afternoon, with bright daylight. I noticed that when the bass D keyswitch is activated it does change colour from a muted orange to a much redder orange colour. This applies to the other activated keyswitch notes as well. I had not registered this colour change when I was experimenting with the settings earlier, and I don't believe that I have  altered any other settings in order to activate this. It would seem that my appreciation of the colour change on my monitor is dependent on the ambient or low lighting levels I am working with. Interesting

If you look to the right of the Adv button, on the right hand side of the strings, you will see an ochre dash "-". If you click on the dash it will take you to the "Vibrato (pitch variation)" controls for the guitar, which are part of the "Note Effects" panel. The dash is a short cut to this panel, once you have realised what it actually does. There are all sorts of useful and interesting magic buttons on this module, but one, or at least I, needs to have the application on high magnification to see where they all are. It is a problem associated with my ageing eyesight and not with the User Interface.

I had initially tried playing some of the Renaissance/Early Baroque Midi files that I have on the Classical Guitar module, but they sounded not only weird, but ridiculously dreadful. As I don't play the guitar, but I wanted some reasonable MIDI examples to experiment with, I followed up on a suggestion by René-Damen about the "fado" style and came across the following interesting resource on the Web.

https://www.guitares.org/p_eng_t.html

which contains the guitar music of Marc Lamberg of the Quatuor de guitares de Waterloo. His music, apart from being both pleasant and relaxing, is available as MIDI files and so one can, therefore, experiment with the Pianoteq Classical Guitar settings, whilst "playing" the guitar music.

It does mean that you can actually start to produce something, which actually sounds like a classical guitar, being played by someone who is trained in the instrument.

Thank you for your question, which has meant that I have spent a grey, damp afternoon with my head buried productively under the bonnet of the Classical Guitar module. I now know more than I did a few hours ago, which is a good thing.

Michael