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Topic: Baffled sound

Hello,

I've got long term problem with Pianoteq and that is that sometimes the sounds from Pianoteq are terribly baffled.
I've got it with version 6 and when 7 was out I never got that. But now it appeared again and I can't get rid of it.

Here is what a piano should sound and sometimes does: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i6uzQ_...sp=sharing
this is the sound, that I've got all the time now: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NrGjTC...sp=sharing

It's the same track, exported twice. It's Steinway Binaural. But it doesn't matter what piano I choose. It's doing on all of them.

I hear this sound using Pianoteq as VST plugin and in Pianoteq standalone as well.
I thought it's some kinf of effect got wrong. So I turned all of them off. It's still there.

I don't get it. I play the song and the first half is perfect and in second half it got baffled.


I have Windows 10
Pianoteq PRO 7.5.4 64bit. But I tried all versions. It's all the same.
Sound card EMU 0202.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks, Filip

Reply by Zaskar

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Re: Baffled sound

Hm, that's a weird one.

Have you tried it without the audio interface?
Unplug it and switch to the internal sound chip of your computer.

Do you have any peaks in CPU usage? Whether it's PTQs or the windows CPU meter.

Do you have the latest drivers?

Are your cables fine?

Does it make any difference when using Emu0202s headphone jack?

Odd.

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Re: Baffled sound

Zaskar wrote:

Hm, that's a weird one.

Have you tried it without the audio interface?
Unplug it and switch to the internal sound chip of your computer.

Do you have any peaks in CPU usage? Whether it's PTQs or the windows CPU meter.

Do you have the latest drivers?

Are your cables fine?

Does it make any difference when using Emu0202s headphone jack?

Odd.

Thank you for the tips.

I don't have any peaks in CPU. It's about 15 percent max.
I switched my external audio card to internal audio on board and used ASIO4ALL drivers. To my surprise it was the same ugly sound

I have the latest drivers although EMU doesn't exist anymore.
Headphones or regular repro system - doesn't make any difference either.

Also cables don't make any difference, because I can click with my mouse on virtual keys in Pianoteq and it's the same aweful sound.

hmm... I thought it would be a quick fix

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Re: Baffled sound

Any exclamation marks in windows device manager?

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Re: Baffled sound

That one sounds weird!
So we're looking for weird things.

Is it possible that you have accidentally mapped a MIDI controllable setting in Pianoteq to a control potentiometer or slider?

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Re: Baffled sound

This is what it sounds like to me when the piano and mezzo hammers are set to 0.

Pianoteq 7 Pro with all pianos

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Re: Baffled sound

Key Fumbler wrote:

That one sounds weird!
So we're looking for weird things.

Is it possible that you have accidentally mapped a MIDI controllable setting in Pianoteq to a control potentiometer or slider?

To this?:

Urs Zimmermann wrote:

This is what it sounds like to me when the piano and mezzo hammers are set to 0.

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Re: Baffled sound

I remember someone once posting to check for inconsistent midi/USB that gives inconsistent sounds.
Or if something else using the sound causes a sound shift. ie. playing other audio/video, YouTube, Spotify, VLC player, etc.

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Re: Baffled sound

There are also ways to accidentally map a keyboard key as a midi event and bind that to a setting.  This happens a lot more readily with presets in software like Organteq, VSL, or Hauptwerk, where--in most cases by default--longer keyboard compasses are used for instruments with shorter ranges to control bank/sample selection, etc. as standardizing most midi functions across software platforms never happened in the industry outside of a few of the original midi defaults.  I've had many, many VSL nightmares caused by low compass key events either triggering sample selection improperly or not at all.

Check your Preferences under the Midi tab, and select a factory default setting like Minimalistic which should only have 5 parameters, none of them key events.  If that isn't the source of the problem, it's further possible that your controller is simply sending errant midi events.  What model is your controller?  Does this still happen when you play back the sample file in addition to playing live?  You can monitor all Midi events from that Midi tab, and see exactly what happens or triggers the problem.  Since you're encountering this globally, it's probably gotten baked in the Preferences menu, not related to Presets--though sometimes there are issues where theoretically presets retain global preferences regarding midi.

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Re: Baffled sound

I'm going to SWAG that your controller keyboard's soft/una corda pedal is 'jittering' and intermittenty sending a spurious CC67 message. Sometimes exercising the pedal wil exorcise it. ;^)  Otherwise you may need to disconnect it, if possible, or take it apart and clean/replace the switch/pot (I assume most soft pedals are just on/off switches causing the keyboard to send CC67=0 or 127.

I'm not sure offhand if Pianoteq can be set to ignore it CC67 but if you're using it in a DAW you should be able to filter out CC67 with an MFX.

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Re: Baffled sound

Thank you guys.

You found it.

It really was some weird MIDI signals.

Minimalistic did the trick

Thank you soo much, you saved me

Last edited by Filip (01-09-2022 11:44)