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An attempt ala k c Paul Li with a DAW

I opened a new thread because I think my example is not seen by everyone and drowns in the thread ”way to control color”, especially for new members who may not read everything immediately. If I did wrong, the administrator can easily move my post.

My piece ”Dreamy”

I’m using 4 tracks (in Garageband, Mac Mini late  -14) with Petrof Mistral Dreamy, Ant. Petrof Dreamy, Steingraeber Dreamy and Steinway B Dreamy (demo vers.)  I can edit induvidial notes volym, delete a note, move it, have section with only some notes in a track and more in another with an other sound…..having notes on different tracks with different instruments….

Tuning: 432Hz   Temperament: Vallotti & Young,  a bit mint but not in Ant. Petrof.
Notice: I immediately noticed that for a beginner it was impossible to use 10 tracks for the first time, a hopeless workload.
And - this take soooo much time! As Li said, a lot of work, a lot of practise….It is a very technical job. Indeed! This is my first try and I wanted to listen to some result. But I understand now that with my next composition it may take weeks before I can upload a good sounding rendition.

All in all, in summary - this is interesting experiment. But, it is so easy too, to take Petrof Mistral, very good sounding, and immediately just start playing 


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Stig

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An admirable attempt and not as jarring a result as I might have expected. But I think your experience supports my contention that it's a lot of work with questionable benefit, and certainly not as enjoyable as just playing the piece with the best overall sound you can find for it (with or without morphing or layering) within Pianoteq.

It would be interesting to see a screenshot of the split tracks.

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Yes, admirable and quite pleasing - bravo, but as you say you can just load up a single well-chosen preset and get something quite satisfying. It's not something I'd be tempted to try - I have enough trouble preparing and editing a single piano track to my satisfaction without trying to manage multiple presets!

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I should say that this kind of work is worthy for classical solo piano music, not necessary for other genres of music. It may even ruin the music of some kind. I am a classical pianist and trying to find a way for Pianoteq to reproduce what I feel while playing an acoustic grand piano. For live performance, I won't use Pianoteq, I use acoustic grand. But I find that Pianoteq is good for recording, it's almost ok, but I think it has the potential to do much better. So I figure out a way to make it sound better..... to my classical training ear. And I think I've found my way. I understand that, for example, in Rock music, this kind of changing tone so much will kill the music.

I am glad that Stig tries to do some workings using this method.
Its an adventure.............will work much faster when you got accustomed to it.
If I took an hour to edit a song every day, it took me just 3 days to finish.

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Re: An attempt ala k c Paul Li with a DAW

brundlefly wrote:

An admirable attempt and not as jarring a result as I might have expected. But I think your experience supports my contention that it's a lot of work with questionable benefit, and certainly not as enjoyable as just playing the piece with the best overall sound you can find for it (with or without morphing or layering) within Pianoteq.

It would be interesting to see a screenshot of the split tracks.

Thank you for you comment. I'm grateful. Sorry, but I have never been able to get a picture into this forum

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Stig

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Yes, admirable and quite pleasing - bravo, but as you say you can just load up a single well-chosen preset and get something quite satisfying. It's not something I'd be tempted to try - I have enough trouble preparing and editing a single piano track to my satisfaction without trying to manage multiple presets!

Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it. Yes, it is nice to immediately get to play    I appreciate your support and kindness.

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Stig

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k c Paul Li wrote:

I should say that this kind of work is worthy for classical solo piano music, not necessary for other genres of music. It may even ruin the music of some kind. I am a classical pianist and trying to find a way for Pianoteq to reproduce what I feel while playing an acoustic grand piano. For live performance, I won't use Pianoteq, I use acoustic grand. But I find that Pianoteq is good for recording, it's almost ok, but I think it has the potential to do much better. So I figure out a way to make it sound better..... to my classical training ear. And I think I've found my way. I understand that, for example, in Rock music, this kind of changing tone so much will kill the music.

I am glad that Stig tries to do some workings using this method.
Its an adventure.............will work much faster when you got accustomed to it.
If I took an hour to edit a song every day, it took me just 3 days to finish.

Thank you k c Paul Li, for your interesting answer, and your solid arguments that explain your position. Although I’m an amateur I understand you. Only the best is good enough, as they say. Of course also I strive for the best, in my way.
And yes, it is really an adventure

Best wishes,

Stig

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Edit: This kind of work for classical music. Well, I'm now playing Bach Toccata BWV 916. Bach’s seven toccatas for harpsichord, 910-916, most likely date from his twenties, when he was still trying to make a name for himself as a keyboard player. I'm trying to be a better keyboard player like Bach, but not trying to make a name for myself - I already have one,  Pianoteqenthusiast     But I will try to use your method with the piece.

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k c Paul Li wrote:

II am a classical pianist and trying to find a way for Pianoteq to reproduce what I feel while playing an acoustic grand piano. For live performance, I won't use Pianoteq, I use acoustic grand. But I find that Pianoteq is good for recording, it's almost ok, but I think it has the potential to do much better.

I absolutely agree with that. Any decent digital piano is likely to produce a better recording than anything an amateur recordist is likely to get from a real piano, but for live performance nothing can compare to the real thing.

As a trained pianist you will probably agree that the best performance will result from real-time interaction of the performer with the instrument, modifying touch and articulation (both of keys and pedals) from moment to moment in response to the sound of the instrument - whether real or virtual - and that's why I tend to think any real-time performance solution is preferable to any editing solution.

I'm still getting acquainted with Pianoteq, but my solution to 'it's almost okay' for the moment is to use it to reinforce the onboard sound of a Roland RD-700NX with the superior harmonics and sympathetic resonance of Pianoteq. This is working better than expected and I have been meaning to find to time to record some examples and post something to the forum as follow-up to a recent  thread on the subject.