Great Pianoteq 7.5 update available (Page 1 of 3)

Absolutely. Happy camper here. And everywhere.

I'm also very happy but also wondering how much of this improvement is just in my head?! but It sounds so good anyway! I'm a User=) now since one year or so and at first I had a strange ringing with the NY e.g. around the note b flat (in the second octave). I could turn it of with the duplex scale (just on this notes..) but it seems this has vanished..

I luuuv my pianoteq so much.

Ooh, I'm so looking forward to trying the revoiced pianos!

I compared my piece ”Adagio covid and omicron” (Petrof Mistral) using the new version 7.50 and the old version. I think I hear a fuller sound with 7.50 (with my old ears). Something is better, but can not put it into words, in any case I'm happy. Thanks 

Edit   A natural sound, like a real piano

Best wishes,

Stig

I confirm there is a bug with velocity presets, we will post an update soon, thank you!

Very much enjoying the newly revoiced piano models and presets!

For those who have a "hot" MIDI keyboard which favors the higher velocity values even when playing with only moderate finger force, and who feel that the more loudly-played notes have a bit too much or unrealistic sharpness or bite, try compensating for the hot keyboard by setting the velocity curve (or line) at a lower setting for those highest velocities, like this (image below), which works well for me with the somewhat biased velocity sensors of my Kawai MP11SE MIDI keyboard.

https://imgur.com/Hdxe4vo.png

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Decay is shorter on all pianos, especially the NY Steinway. Less power, sound is fading faster.

Another thing I didn't understand was why the order of the presets is different, the Prelude is no longer the first in several models. I didn't understand the criteria used to place Classical in first on NY's list and Jazz in first on HB's list.

Yes. The miking parameters of the NY Steinway Model D preset have been modified. There are now 4 active microphones instead of just two. But the HB Steinway Model D preset remains with just two.

In addition, the reverb setting was also changed from Small Hall to Concert Hall;
the effect gain was increased from +1 to +2;
the Hammer Hardness (piano) was set to 27 instead of 30.

7.5, very good.
The one thing that wasn't added was the ability to open the [Freeze Parameter] in a different window. I read in a post that this would be the case in the next upgrade.

See embedded basic documentation as suggested here: https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9043

This is great news! Not OSC directly, but it can be mapped to anything.

Also note that when the interface is in fullscreen mode, the top of the menus is cut off, as if they didn't fit on the screen.
NOTE: I use Ubuntu Studio (Linux).

Confirmed: this is a screenshot of my 2560x1440-pixel monitor with Pianoteq in full-screen mode, using Linux Mint XFCE desktop.

https://imgur.com/5HLGaPw.png

It is just a matter of taste but I am glad I saved in a preset the previous hammer hardness voicing, it was truly wonderful in terms of dynamics so much so that I applied on the different concert presets I made. I'll try theses new ones as well but the response in touch of the previous one was outstanding.

Thank you so much Modartt. Brilliant revoicing of the NY Steinway! It feels like a different piano and so much more playable. I wonder if you've done something with the velocity response?

Anyway, thank you to all involved,

Happy Christmas to all,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Thanks... I had never used the windows memorization... it's interesting...

It took Modartt a short time to make a piano model to 95% right. It took them 15 years to do the rest of 5 percent.

This update is glorious. Even on a shtt speaker like my acer swift 3 laptop it sounds good. Wait to hear it on my studio speakers.

Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien!  (perfect is the enemy of good!).

Very interesting... I see the term revoicing consistis of a lot of more things than I imagined before.
It's quite an alchemy to have só much factors to adjust/balance. How many hours a day and weeks it took?
I bet it wasn't easy.

https://media.hswstatic.com/eyJidWNrZXQ...o4Mjh9fX0=

What is the major aim of revouncing?
Bring the modelled piano closer to the one it was based on? Or just make the piano sound better to the average public?

As professional life is usually measured respecting the "80/20 rule", the final adjustments are to be highly appreciated -  ça demande vachement de temps et energie d'achever ce but.
Really thrilled by the new update. And: do subscribe the newsletter, if you did not yet. Just learned a lot about "note off velocity" in Pianoteq ...

Hi,

For me:

"Steinway B wide" preset is the clear winner of this 7.5.2 internal revoicing update

Sound incredible.

I use this preset, and General Freeze option for effects, dynamics, limiter, and mic positions, and use it to make " NY Steinway D WIDE" , and "HB Steinway D Wide), based on this.

Sound incredible.

Regards,

Olivier F.

Modarrt, please add by default in future update the same "Steinway B Wide preset", for NY and HB Steinway D (With same effects, MIC positions, limiter and dynamics than your excellent "Steinway B wide" of 7.5.2)

Wonderful update - congratulations to all of Modartt and contributors - and lucky us all who love this. Pianoteq indeed keeps chipping away at that last mile

Beautiful tones, more breathlessly solid across the range, sensing better balances everywhere in every way. Nothing else on the market can do these things so realistically.

Pianoteq not only continually improves the sound but playability is enhanced always - still unbeatable IMO.

Sincere thanks all!

I have commented positively already once, but have to accompany Qexl as well. Tested Mistral Warm 7.5.2 - to my ears wonderful sound with headphones.

Best wishes,

Stig

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...arm%20.mp3

I'm not sure if it's just an impression I feel or not, but some top quality brands of real Grand pianos today appear to be less metalic than some decades ago, by watching videos of professional pianists. Steinway for example, unless I'm wrong, sounded quite more metalic in the 60's and 70's.  Not the bad metalic like "oing boing" sound, tin sound or bad oscilating metalic, but a good fair metalic.

It's like Steinway tried to remore some metalic feelings today. On Brazil people associate too much metallic sounds to cheap sound, like a low quality chinese piano sound, and for the other side they believe a low metallic or velvet sound it's a indication of quality due resemble a Steinway. But things are way more complex than that.

I'm light years away to be an authority for judgment, but I wonder if today we are a bit "metalicphobic", demanding each key to be too much perfect, 100% even, due this direction Steinway took and their strong label be a huge influence.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, if Steinway ir's really better today, and if the perfect even sound along keyboard it's an indication of superior quality and always demanded, or if it's more a matter of taste.

I'm raising this theme because there is a chance we are targeting some little things on pianoteq as defects, when it perhaps it's just a normal thing, a little bit of charm of an given model.
Anyway it's a modelled technology and not a sampler, and so it can have many presets to please greeks and trojans.  :-)

Great update, really appreciate the revoicing and parameter tweaks, but I'm finding them somewhat confusing! A number of presets that I had prepared in older versions are now not sounding so good - I think that's maybe why I reported the 'zing' on C6 in the Steinways. The reason some of the presets don't sound so good is probably because of the parameter changes. So now I'm going back and rebuilding some of those presets, starting from the new factory settings, noting that they are based on the updated sounds. I've retained some of the old presets, and the difference between old and new is very noticeable in some cases.

It's not just Steinway, it's everywhere. In the past the piano was often not amplified or amplified poorly and the main goal was to make it "break through" a full orchestra or a full band for modern music. I'm glad that the thing is shifting towards more mellow "woody" sound.

This is a long discussion, in my opinion, and we should make it as a separate thread rather than a side-conversation in this v7.5 update thread