Topic: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Tempted by the sales. I've bought the SSL FlexVerb, but haven't had time to do any experiments. Seeing the LiquidSonics offers, I can't help wondering how they would sound with Pianoteq, too, but these sales always hit when I have little time.

Sorry if I've asked this before. I remember earlier versions of the LiquidSonics reverbs getting attention here.

And for that matter, has anyone found FlexVerb settings that work well with Piantoeq?

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Jake Johnson wrote:

Tempted by the sales. I've bought the SSL FlexVerb, but haven't had time to do any experiments. Seeing the LiquidSonics offers, I can't help wondering how they would sound with Pianoteq, too

Hi Jake

My goto reverbs are both LiquidSonics - Cinematic Rooms Pro or 7th Heaven Standard. I also have a couple from the Reverb Foundry which are from the same developer that I enjoy for a bit of character HD Cart and Tai Chi. These two companies share a very generous loyalty voucher program.

Cinematic Rooms especially is amazing, it seems to open up the Pianoteq sound. It comes in two editions, I found the Pro has some additional presets that to me are worth the extra cost. Especially with the sale.

I’m almost always using headphones when playing so ymmv with speakers.

Cheers
Mark

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

I have Reverberate 3.
This latest version works quickly, like an algorithmic reverb. Very flexible too.
If you have an old version you can combine a heavy discount with the sale price. Night and day better performance than version 2 (which was good but slow and perhaps too small and plain).

Reverb Foundry and Liquidsonics are created by the same developer.

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

I also have Reverberate 3 and I like it very much. Reverberate 2 was pretty good, but I agree with Key Fumbler that v3 is way better.

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

dazric wrote:

I also have Reverberate 3 and I like it very much. Reverberate 2 was pretty good, but I agree with Key Fumbler that v3 is way better.

Could you post an example or two of using Reverberate 3 with Pianoteq, when you get a chance?

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Jake Johnson wrote:
dazric wrote:

I also have Reverberate 3 and I like it very much. Reverberate 2 was pretty good, but I agree with Key Fumbler that v3 is way better.

Could you post an example or two of using Reverberate 3 with Pianoteq, when you get a chance?

As it happens, I'm working on something at the moment, so I've just done a very quick demo (in Shared Files). I kept the Pianoteq reverb on, because to me it seems to work better that way. The only other processing I used was Waves J37 Tape on a very subtle setting.
(edit) the descriptive text seems to have been cut off there - it should say 'Steinway B Player with Reverberate 3 FS24 Dark Chamber'

Last edited by dazric (03-12-2021 18:24)

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

dazric wrote:
Jake Johnson wrote:
dazric wrote:

I also have Reverberate 3 and I like it very much. Reverberate 2 was pretty good, but I agree with Key Fumbler that v3 is way better.

Could you post an example or two of using Reverberate 3 with Pianoteq, when you get a chance?

As it happens, I'm working on something at the moment, so I've just done a very quick demo (in Shared Files). I kept the Pianoteq reverb on, because to me it seems to work better that way. The only other processing I used was Waves J37 Tape on a very subtle setting.
(edit) the descriptive text seems to have been cut off there - it should say 'Steinway B Player with Reverberate 3 FS24 Dark Chamber'

Many thanks! Interesting sound. You created this with the default Dark Chamber preset, with the  Pianoteq reverb also left with its default settings? (I'm not sure that I hear the effect of the tape effect, but the sound is good, to my ears. I'm not sure that I liked the final bass note, which I hear as lacking definition--the reflections create more a of a buzz. But the rest of the clip is lively.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (03-12-2021 19:51)

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To make matters more complex, I received an email today saying that Isotope's R4 reverb is also on sale for $10 USD. This review\demo from Pro-Tools Expert may be worth a look and listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6SypKXF7zs

Quite a few controls.


Edit: Another video may show the sound better--this one loops through 20-30 seconds of a woman singer while showing the changes made in the parameters when changing presets::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVgODeRWY-A

Could not find one devoted to pianos. The less exaggerated presets sound good on this vocal, however.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (03-12-2021 22:31)

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Jake Johnson wrote:

Many thanks! Interesting sound. You created this with the default Dark Chamber preset, with the  Pianoteq reverb also left with its default settings? (I'm not sure that I hear the effect of the tape effect, but the sound is good, to my ears. I'm not sure that I liked the final bass note, which I hear as lacking definition--the reflections create more a of a buzz. But the rest of the clip is lively.

Good to know your thoughts on this. It is basically the default Player preset, just 0.12 on the condition. I keep tweaking it until I get the ambience that I like. Not quite sure what you mean about the last bass note, maybe it's some slight distortion from Tape, or just the mp3 rendering?
I just rendered it without J37 - I think it probably was adding some distortion. I quite like tape plugins, but I'm always cautious about them!

Last edited by dazric (03-12-2021 20:47)

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

dazric wrote:
Jake Johnson wrote:

Many thanks! Interesting sound. You created this with the default Dark Chamber preset, with the  Pianoteq reverb also left with its default settings? (I'm not sure that I hear the effect of the tape effect, but the sound is good, to my ears. I'm not sure that I liked the final bass note, which I hear as lacking definition--the reflections create more a of a buzz. But the rest of the clip is lively.

Good to know your thoughts on this. It is basically the default Player preset, just 0.12 on the condition. I keep tweaking it until I get the ambience that I like. Not quite sure what you mean about the last bass note, maybe it's some slight distortion from Tape, or just the mp3 rendering?
I just rendered it without J37 - I think it probably was adding some distortion. I quite like tape plugins, but I'm always cautious about them!


"Buzz" was too strong a word. Sorry. I only meant that I wanted a little more definition\presence in the note. That may have nothing to do with the reverb or the tape emulation.

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No problem, Jake! It's good to have a second pair of ears checking things like that. I did play that last bass note quite softly - but I'll definitely have a rethink on whether I want the tape effect on there. What I'm aiming for is something a bit like the Recording 3 preset, but cleaner, more direct and less 'mushy' - if that makes sense! I'm fairly happy with the results, but there's always room for improvement.

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

I'm also a big fan of the LiquidSonics reverbs - I currently own Reverberate 3 and Cinematic Rooms Standard, as well as the LiquidSonics/Slate Digital Verbsuite Classics. I've also used the LiquidSonics Lustrous Plates reverb a fair bit, though I don't own it at present. They are all very, very good. The only one I would probably not recommend is Seventh Heaven Standard, not because it's not good, but because all the Fusion-IRs it uses are also included in Reverberate 3, but Reverberate 3 has sooooo many additional possibilities as well.

I also own R4 (currently owned by iZotope, but originally coded by Michael Carnes at Exponential Audio). R4 is also great, as are ALL of Michael's reverbs, IMO, and $10 is a no-brainer for it. Except for possibly one thing: I personally think it remains to be seen what iZotope is going to do with the Exponential reverbs. They're using some of the algorithms in their own Neoverb, but it's unclear to me if they're going to continue updating R2, R4, Nimbus, etc. moving forward, or if they're just using the algorithms in their own new 'verbs from here on out. Ever since iZotope started pushing their subscription plan, I've grown increasingly nervous about the future.

At any rate, $10 for R2, R4, Nimbus, or PhoenixVerb is an absolute steal.
As is anything from Valhalla.

But the LiquidSonics 'verbs have become my #1 over the past year.

Hope this helps - happy to answer more if needed.

M1 Mac Mini | Metric Halo ULN-8 | Pianoteq 7.4.2

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Mark Williams wrote:

..The only one I would probably not recommend is Seventh Heaven Standard, not because it's not good, but because all the Fusion-IRs it uses are also included in Reverberate 3, but Reverberate 3 has sooooo many additional possibilities as well.

I also own R4 (currently owned by iZotope, but originally coded by Michael Carnes at Exponential Audio). R4 is also great, as are ALL of Michael's reverbs, IMO, and $10 is a no-brainer for it. Except for possibly one thing: I personally think it remains to be seen what iZotope is going to do with the Exponential reverbs. They're using some of the algorithms in their own Neoverb, but it's unclear to me if they're going to continue updating R2, R4, Nimbus, etc. moving forward, or if they're just using the algorithms in their own new 'verbs from here on out. Ever since iZotope started pushing their subscription plan, I've grown increasingly nervous about the future.

At any rate, $10 for R2, R4, Nimbus, or PhoenixVerb is an absolute steal.
As is anything from Valhalla.

But the LiquidSonics 'verbs have become my #1 over the past year.

Hope this helps - happy to answer more if needed.

Valhalla DSP  are excellent, and no iLok which a lot of people don't like.

Agree on Seventh Heaven - Reverberate 3 rendered it pointless to me. Unless all someone ever wanted is the Bricasti and nothing else.

Reverberate 3's updated faster response and adjustability make buying those Bricasti M7 IRs a second time in the Seventh Heaven plugins somewhat redundant.

Regarding iZotope Michael Carnes retired. I don't see iZotope doing anything with those plugins given those (near giveaway) Plugin Boutique prices.
Perhaps a compatibility update if something catastrophic happens in an operating system update.
They never do those massive discounts on the surround sound versions. Maybe they will if a sophisticated  Neoverb Surround appears?

I'm not interested in iZotope, beyond the few freebies. Subscription - no thanks.

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It's worth noting that you only get one iLok computer activation with R4: crummy!

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dazric wrote:

It's worth noting that you only get one iLok computer activation with R4: crummy!

Indeed, one activation slot at one time is a bit mean.  However you can of course deactivate that and swap it to other machines.

A single activation is a non issue with a physical iLok though. Not that I would welcome Modartt adopting that system!

Last edited by Key Fumbler (05-12-2021 14:49)

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another issue with Exponential audio reverbs is that Izotope has again delayed updates for the new M1 Macs, and they admit that EA stuff is low on their priority list for doing so. Might be a point to consider.
Besides that, great reverbs. Never tried liquidsonics... I´m afraid I´d like them and would have to shell out more than I should.

cheers,
Miguel.

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Key Fumbler wrote:
Mark Williams wrote:

..The only one I would probably not recommend is Seventh Heaven Standard, not because it's not good, but because all the Fusion-IRs it uses are also included in Reverberate 3, but Reverberate 3 has sooooo many additional possibilities as well.

I also own R4 (currently owned by iZotope, but originally coded by Michael Carnes at Exponential Audio). R4 is also great, as are ALL of Michael's reverbs, IMO, and $10 is a no-brainer for it. Except for possibly one thing: I personally think it remains to be seen what iZotope is going to do with the Exponential reverbs. They're using some of the algorithms in their own Neoverb, but it's unclear to me if they're going to continue updating R2, R4, Nimbus, etc. moving forward, or if they're just using the algorithms in their own new 'verbs from here on out. Ever since iZotope started pushing their subscription plan, I've grown increasingly nervous about the future.

At any rate, $10 for R2, R4, Nimbus, or PhoenixVerb is an absolute steal.
As is anything from Valhalla.

But the LiquidSonics 'verbs have become my #1 over the past year.

Hope this helps - happy to answer more if needed.

Valhalla DSP  are excellent, and no iLok which a lot of people don't like.

Agree on Seventh Heaven - Reverberate 3 rendered it pointless to me. Unless all someone ever wanted is the Bricasti and nothing else.

Reverberate 3's updated faster response and adjustability make buying those Bricasti M7 IRs a second time in the Seventh Heaven plugins somewhat redundant.

Regarding iZotope Michael Carnes retired. I don't see iZotope doing anything with those plugins given those (near giveaway) Plugin Boutique prices.
Perhaps a compatibility update if something catastrophic happens in an operating system update.
They never do those massive discounts on the surround sound versions. Maybe they will if a sophisticated  Neoverb Surround appears?

I'm not interested in iZotope, beyond the few freebies. Subscription - no thanks.

Yeah, I’m not convinced iZotope is going update the EA plugs for Apple Silicon.

I’ve grown weary of iZotope, frankly, but I still prefer RX to other options most of the time. Acon is catching up, but still not quite there, IMO.

M1 Mac Mini | Metric Halo ULN-8 | Pianoteq 7.4.2

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

As it turns out, there is an older video demonstrating the Izotope/Exponential Audio reverb on piano. An earlier version, so the interface is different, but surely the latest version has the same presets:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jUvhhMuQTOQ

Re: Has anyone experimented with the new versions of LiquidSonics reverbs?

Mark Williams wrote:

I'm also a big fan of the LiquidSonics reverbs - I currently own Reverberate 3 and Cinematic Rooms Standard, as well as the LiquidSonics/Slate Digital Verbsuite Classics. I've also used the LiquidSonics Lustrous Plates reverb a fair bit, though I don't own it at present. They are all very, very good. The only one I would probably not recommend is Seventh Heaven Standard, not because it's not good, but because all the Fusion-IRs it uses are also included in Reverberate 3, but Reverberate 3 has sooooo many additional possibilities as well.

I also own R4 (currently owned by iZotope, but originally coded by Michael Carnes at Exponential Audio). R4 is also great, as are ALL of Michael's reverbs, IMO, and $10 is a no-brainer for it. Except for possibly one thing: I personally think it remains to be seen what iZotope is going to do with the Exponential reverbs. They're using some of the algorithms in their own Neoverb, but it's unclear to me if they're going to continue updating R2, R4, Nimbus, etc. moving forward, or if they're just using the algorithms in their own new 'verbs from here on out. Ever since iZotope started pushing their subscription plan, I've grown increasingly nervous about the future.

At any rate, $10 for R2, R4, Nimbus, or PhoenixVerb is an absolute steal.
As is anything from Valhalla.

But the LiquidSonics 'verbs have become my #1 over the past year.

Hope this helps - happy to answer more if needed.

Reviving this thread, I find SlateDigital VerbSuite Classics (also by LiquidSonics) most handy, covering all classics and sharing Reverberate’s Fusion-IR tech without overdoing it. Gives you all you need, without allowing you to get lost.

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