Hello,
with version 7.4, the sound is no longer so clean. Too many resonances in high areas. It sounds less real.
(I use it with VPC1, Focusrite 2x via asio driver)
I switched back to 7.3.
Is there a switch to restore the sound from the 7.3?
Best regards
Karsten
I second what Karsten wrote below. After installing V7.4.1 over V7.3, The NY Steinway D sounds harsh - high frequency harmonics are heard even with moderate key velocity. It is very obvious when striking the C3 to C4 range. This harsh harmonics were not present (or perhaps that noticeable) in V7.3. I also switched back to V7.3.
Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.
Jomukaiya
Hello,
with version 7.4, the sound is no longer so clean. Too many resonances in high areas. It sounds less real.
(I use it with VPC1, Focusrite 2x via asio driver)
I switched back to 7.3.Is there a switch to restore the sound from the 7.3?
Best regards
Karsten
Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.
Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )
May I ask you guys Schlawiano and Jomukaiya, if you are using one of the original presets or if this problem it's more when you use a FXP you created in 7.3 or earlier?
Maybe a personal setting adjust that was better to 7.3 it's not the best for 7.4.
I have a suggestion for these problems. There are many revoicings (mostly not settings parameters allowed to users) Modartt did for improve the sound a bit, but there is always a personal taste involved that vary from person to person. What about a option, like a new Undo Function (more like a time machine I should say), for each model, to come back to a earlier voicing from a previous version?
This would avoid the need to keep as older version installed.
Really good idea, Beto - having an archive of previous voicings would be very useful, if it's possible for Modartt to do it. In a situation where a user wants to return to a project and the voicing of their chosen instrument has changed, having an archive could save a heck of a lot of tweaking and messing about.
May I ask you guys Schlawiano and Jomukaiya, if you are using one of the original presets or if this problem it's more when you use a FXP you created in 7.3 or earlier?
Maybe a personal setting adjust that was better to 7.3 it's not the best for 7.4.I have a suggestion for these problems. There are many revoicings (mostly not settings parameters allowed to users) Modartt did for improve the sound a bit, but there is always a personal taste involved that vary from person to person. What about a option, like a new Undo Function (more like a time machine I should say), for each model, to come back to a earlier voicing from a previous version?
This would avoid the need to keep as older version installed.
I use both, but it also occurs in both.
Jomukaiya wrote:Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.
Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )
Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.
http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )
The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)
julien wrote:Jomukaiya wrote:Modartt R&D team - Please look into this.
Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )
Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.
http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)
The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.
FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)
Schlawiano wrote:julien wrote:Can you contact us at https://www.modartt.com/support?direct=1 and supply an example highlighting the issue ? ( midi file + fxp + wav file from v7.3 and 7.4.1 )
Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.
http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)
The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.
FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)
You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".
Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.
Philippe Guillaume wrote:Schlawiano wrote:Here is small comparison below, unfortunately only recorded with the mobile phone.
http://phobal.de/temp/VID_20210714_162208.mp4
( 7.3 on the left, 7.4.1 on the right )The resonances are longer in these areas and do not sound clean. It sounds like 2 bees arguing ;-)
The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.
FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)
You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".
Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.
Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.
The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.
Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.
Schlawiano wrote:Philippe Guillaume wrote:The difference comes from the reverb. If you prefer the previous one, which is of course a matter of taste, feel free to change it.
FYI, if you want to see previous settings, you can download any previous version from the user area with urls of the form "www.modartt.com/download?file=pianoteq_setup_v730.exe" (you need to login first in the user area)
You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".
Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.
The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.
Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.
I am a software architect and software engineer in the medical industry. For example, if I change medication profiles for some clients, I have to assume that others are dissatisfied. Customers get used to scenarios, workflows and so on.
That's how it is here.
It wasn't a good way to change existing profiles for some users and leave others unhappy. It would be better to create a new profile.
I will continue to use 7.3 for the time being.
Nevertheless, many thanks for the feedback and the note with the reverb
Philippe Guillaume wrote:Schlawiano wrote:You're right, I compared the "Reverbs".
Version 7.3 has a value of 1.5 s, version 7.4.1 of 2.0 s.
I don't know why modartt changes existing profiles in such a way.
So I am forced to either use an old version or to adapt every profile that I want to use.
It's really not nice.Not only the duration, but also the reverb itself is different: "Concert Hall" in 7.4.1, "Medium Hall" in 7.3.
The beta testers liked this new reverb (as well as users here, cf. some other threads), so we replaced the previous reverb with the new one in the "Classical Recording" presets of all contemporary pianos, and only in these ones.
Please note that the settings in those "Classical Recording" presets are typically designed for recording classical music where it shines particularly on complex pieces, see related examples on page https://www.modartt.com/modeld. In any case, there is no "ideal" reverb, each kind of music piece requires it's own settings.
I am a software architect and software engineer in the medical industry. For example, if I change medication profiles for some clients, I have to assume that others are dissatisfied. Customers get used to scenarios, workflows and so on.
That's how it is here.
It wasn't a good way to change existing profiles for some users and leave others unhappy. It would be better to create a new profile.I will continue to use 7.3 for the time being.
Nevertheless, many thanks for the feedback and the note with the reverb
I understand your point, and you have much more responsibilities with your patients than us with our users. It must be terrifying sometimes (at least that's how I imagine it in the medical industry).
I have found it necessary to redo some of my presets due to version changes. Since my preset settings are pretty simple, such as upping the duplex and string resonance on the earlier pianos, this is a quick process. Other changes since going from 7.2 -7.3 then up to 7.4 required changing or removing my keyboard velocity curves. I found that the newer models weren't the same any longer and the velocity curves made the sound worse, and the default ones are fine.
As always, I make a backup, physically by copying my presets folder to another hard disk, prior to making any changes. Should there be a whoopsie, I can always copy my preset or presets back and not miss a beat.
I am completely satisfied with version 7.4 of Pianoteq. I found that, both in my personal room (with reference monitors) and on stage, it sounds great. Recently, after reading this topic, I paid more attention to the use with headphones, however the finding was also quite pleasant.
Congratulations to the Modartt team.
Hi! I disagree. When I updated to 7 from 6, I was disappointed. The slight unnatural overtone in 6 ( which I liked anyway, because of the overall responsiveness and rich musical sound) was fixed, but the resonance in the first versions of 7 was not like a real piano. But when I updated to 7.4.0 the resonance and overtones were fixed. now I love it. I just updated to 7.4.2 and it nails a beautiful piano sound. I love it. I have 5 of the recent best pianos from other companies (I don't know if its alright to mention which), and Pianoteq is equal to the top two best, but has much greater dynamics. Each piano has its strengths. I could live with Pianoteq 7 only, and be completely happy. It's very expressive in terms of dynamic range.
The only test it fails is the holding down one note test. On a superb piano, upright or grand, if you hold down one note by itself and let it play out, it sounds stunningly beautiful and rich. Pianoteq hasn't nailed that yet, but I expect a later version will.