Topic: The new P284 is awesome!

Wow, playing around with this new model left quite an impression on me as I was playing
The one thing that stands out about this piano is its solid tone. Treble, solid, Midrange, solid. Bass, solid.
Especially the bass, it has far more meat than the other pianos. It's as if you're right at the soundboard!
The lower partials are emphasized throughout the range, while the piano is still able to cut through a mix.

This piano also takes to string length changes very well, not sounding artificial for a good portion of the adjustment range - setting to 3.7m produces a tone similar to the Klavins 370, perhaps a good candidate for a Klavins preset?

Last edited by lowendtheory (10-04-2021 04:58)

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It is indeed lovely. The 275 has been improved too.

Not sure where the real 284 sits in Petrof's hierarchy. Maybe it's all in the marketing anyway?

According to their own Petrof website it's the top of the range (and the bigger the better).
However thats on the standard Petrof website.
They also have their premium Ant. Petrof brand for their absolute premium models, which includes the Ant.Petrof 275 but not this 284 Mistral.

As I say maybe that's just a current marketing decision, or is a a question of refinement?

On the Ant.Petrof website they state that the 275 is actually heavier than the 284 Mistral.

https://antpetrof.com/

Update: they appear to be the same price of 225,000 US Dollars.
So maybe those super rich folks that can afford things like this have to choose between the mechanically superior 284 bass strings and the ever so slightly higher level of finish and build quality in the 275?

Clearly not as generous as Modartt as apparently if you buy a real Ant. Petrof 275 you don't even get a free 284 Mistral as an upgrade to your real piano package for your mansion spare room!

Last edited by Key Fumbler (10-04-2021 09:22)

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I am trying the [Petrov 284 Mistral] preset and and am noticing that the g' key is sounding strange, muffled.

Does not sound right to me.  Anyone else has noticed that?

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

m.tarenskeen wrote:

I am trying the [Petrov 284 Mistral] preset and and am noticing that the g' key is sounding strange, muffled.

Does not sound right to me.  Anyone else has noticed that?

You mean MIDI G3 right? Personally I don't hear something strange there.
Muffled normally means suboptimal velocity curve in my experience.

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

Agreeing with Key Fumbler (very generous of Modartt to give 2 flagship type pianos for 1 pack) and groovy (Muffled = velocity curve, great start point)

Yes, definitely the Mistral is the primary flagship (nearly bought one some 9yrs ago - but for space when moving).

I'm thinking the Ant. embodied everything loved in the top ranges of the piano over a century plus, by the namesake originating family member 150 years ago (Antonin Petrof).

The Ant. Petrof seems to me almost as 'big' in various ways yet being slightly smaller (yet still on the largest scale compared to most grands), suited to 'more' concert halls which may not best accommodate a larger piano. It forcefully fills a space with great tonal range, whereas the Mistral does that, plus also exhibiting a wider range of expression (from close recording to filling the largest halls).

The Ant. kind of sums up 'all' the Petrof sound in a nutshell - and the Mistral is the current and future flagship, which does that, and more.. but that's just myself leaning into what I've gleaned over time and what I've ingested from media releases and showroom people.

Even Modartt personnel may not be given exact information about the Petrof internal differentiation.. because, just like any great art, it is often about "what is loved", "why" and "how can we improve from this point" and like most piano manufacturers, different pianos at different sizes have some obvious use cases - but the Ant. and the Mistral are sharing that same top end territory IMO.

If our dpiano keyboards are not 'perfect' with the default velocity curve, it's musician task 101 to adjust things like raising or lowering velocity curve where it sounds 'not right.' (like getting a piano technician to work on the hammer felts as a minimum.). I'm just amazed at my age to have a software piano which is so pliable as that and beyond into soundscaping territory as well (like an infinitely malleable snyth).

All the rest (the FX and other 40 controls) is arbitrarily to move exact things towards more defined tastes or recording requirements etc.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

Yes, it's very nice,
Thank you Modartt for this gift.

It has a lovely and clear sound but without harshness.
I usually need to use the 3 band EQs to soften some frequencies in the mid/high range, but not with this one. Good work.
On the other side, the bass notes are crisp and precise with a woody tone, and a little less metallic rings, I like that.
Also, the level of the the pedal and keys noises seems now just fine. Not a big problem either.

This new Petrof will do a super all-rounder,

Thanks

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

Qexl wrote:

If our dpiano keyboards are not 'perfect' with the default velocity curve, it's musician task 101 to adjust things like raising or lowering velocity curve where it sounds 'not right.' (like getting a piano technician to work on the hammer felts as a minimum.). I'm just amazed at my age to have a software piano which is so pliable as that and beyond into soundscaping territory as well (like an infinitely malleable synth). .

Absolutely, and Pianoteq allows us to go where no sampled piano has gone before!

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

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The Petrof 284 Mistral is now my favorite piano. Resonant and crisp at the same time; rich with body and warmth, but distinct and clear.

Thank you so much, Modartt team, for creating this new model!

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (10-04-2021 19:11)
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This model, probable a intermediary between Ant Petrof and Petrof Mitral 284, also sounds very nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOoZiFH1Ek

9 foot 2 inches (282cm)

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I usually don't buy instrument packs, but this is an exception. The sound and realism of the 284 impressed me so much I had to buy it!
To me, it just sounds so much more like a real piano than all the other models, even the New York Steinway!

Last edited by lowendtheory (11-04-2021 06:03)

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

lowendtheory wrote:

I usually don't buy instrument packs, but this is an exception. The sound and realism of the 284 impressed me so much I had to buy it!
To me, it just sounds so much more like a real piano than all the other models, even the New York Steinway!

Interesting.
I went back through the other acoustic pianos and heard those improvements across the board. The Petrof models are both strong performers.

I cannot say I have a favourite anymore. It's more like having different colours in a palette.
Back when I first got version five I did have a firm favourite of the Bluthner.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (11-04-2021 08:31)

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Double polarization was available since v7 introduction.
But now in 7.3 many people found not just Petrof Mistral great, but the other models somehow improved.

The changes in 7.3 was :

-Introducing Petrof 284 Mistral concert grand piano.
-Improved repetition model benefiting all acoustic pianos.
-Piano lid removal now possible (double click on lid).
-Steinway B update: bass range and upper range revoicing.

So, improved repetition can make a difference for all piano models.

What about you make a test, trying performances where repetition is often?

Key Fumbler wrote:
lowendtheory wrote:

I usually don't buy instrument packs, but this is an exception. The sound and realism of the 284 impressed me so much I had to buy it!
To me, it just sounds so much more like a real piano than all the other models, even the New York Steinway!

Interesting.
I went back through the other acoustic pianos and heard those improvements across the board. The Petrof models are both strong performers.

I cannot say I have a favourite anymore. It's more like having different colours in a palette.
Back when I first got version five I did have a firm favourite of the Bluthner.

Last edited by Beto-Music (11-04-2021 14:50)

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The maximum sustain (decay) of the Petrof Mistral 284 is 90 seconds.

Last edited by Professor Leandro Duarte (11-04-2021 20:32)
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I absolutely adore this instrument - it's so pure and you can really hear into the sound.

I've always preferred a round, but not necessarily mellow, tone. In terms of acoustic instruments, I tend to gravitate towards Bechstein, and in some cases Bosendorfer - both brands create instruments with a tone that really appeals to me. I've only ever played one Petrof - a small upright which was very enjoyable as well. My goto Pianoteq instrument has been the Bechstein since it came out, but I think this Petrof will become my 'daily' virtual piano.

The two instruments that have been designed specifically for version 7 of Pianoteq (NY Steinway & Petrof 284 Mistral) seem to have a much more refined quality to the sound. I can't put my finger on it, but there's definitely something different in the quality of the sound compared to the instruments that were released during V6 or before. Has anyone else noticed this?

Anyway, the future of modelled pianos seems very very bright indeed!

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Many thanks Modartt for another impressive instrument. Comparing it so far with the NY Steinway D - my choice for Romantic repertoire - the Mistral has a much more open sound, with more instrument resonance, as opposed to added room resonance. Consequently the Mistral sounds as if it is coming from a larger space, whilst at times, in quieter, simple, passages, you can feel/hear the resonance coming from the soundboard as you would with an acoustic.  (That shimmering halo around the notes)  In contrast, weirdly, the NY D sounds as if it's coming from a smaller space.  An almost intimate sound.  Which is weird! (Returning to the D for a period its power was evident again and the sense of intimacy faded)  For the first time, having with my setup difficulties with earlier instruments in the C4 - C5 register, I adjusted the velocity curve for the Mistral to give it a little more bite rather than reduce it.  Previously I have always had to tame that register somewhat. As I have experienced before with new or updated instruments, there is a real sense of a different action/tone/attack/dynamics you get from moving from one acoustic to another. Which is also weird, but is a tribute to the realism of the sound. I usually set the dB level at 60 for other instruments.  For the Mistral I reduced it to 55 and may go lower. it seems much more sensitive to changes in weight of touch and, rendering a few midis, pianissimo became almost inaudible against the "normal" f and ff. So it was even more a sense of having a different action than usual.

My preference lately has been NY D for Romantic music, Bluethner for Haydn/Mozart etc. Counter intuitive, but the sound of the Bluethner is so beautiful and the NY D had to fight to retain its spot for later music.  The Mistral has yet to convince me to supplant either - it lies between them in many respects and I need to do more work on the treble register. Dare I say that with my system the openness in the upper register comes a bit too close to hollowness? Not actual hollowness but some slight hint of it. I suspect with a little work the Mistral will prove itself to be the impressive instrument it is, but the competition is between several wonderful instruments each excelling in different ways.

That it was free having already got the Ant. Petrof is the ultimate bargain.

Many, many thanks.

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Loving how real the attack sounds with the warm preset in the upper octaves (all octaves really, but especially the mid-uppers). Really a step forward! There are some unpleasant ringing frequencies I've noticed in the 5th octave, but maybe I can tweak those out (only have std, not pro). Still, just a fantastic sound.

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Who would say the sound it's coming from a digita lmodelled piano?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9mA-38_OU

Re: The new P284 is awesome!

Beto-Music wrote:

Who would say the sound it's coming from a digita lmodelled piano?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9mA-38_OU

That is such a magnificent sound! Thanks for sharing