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I cannot seem to achieve the crisp staccato that I can on an acoustic piano or even my piano's native engine.
What may be the problem? Do others experience this as well?
Thanks!
I cannot seem to achieve the crisp staccato that I can on an acoustic piano or even my piano's native engine.
What may be the problem? Do others experience this as well?
Thanks!
Check if your keyboard sends MIDI note off velocity messages. And, if necessary, adjust note off velocity map. Hope it helps.
Check if your keyboard sends MIDI note off velocity messages. And, if necessary, adjust note off velocity map. Hope it helps.
No, I don't believe my keyboard supports dynamic note-off velocity. It is hard-coded to some value.
This is needed to support staccato correctly? If I modify the map, would I be impacting other aspects of the tone other than for staccato?
Right now it just seems to be a straight horizontal line mapping all velocities to 127. What would I change it to?
Thanks!
Hi Navindra,
I can get different staccato effects on my CA98 by Ptq.
But, as talking on PW forum, NV10 can only output a fixed value of note-off since the sensor position, forget it's 64 or others. You can check it on Options/MIDI menu.
So you can modify the note-off velocity map, but only one fixed effect each time you play it, and can't control it by different noteoff speed in real time I guess.
Thanks robinlb. My note-off is mapped to 127 which is the maximum note-off velocity in Pianoteq.
I feel like it should be note duration that should be having the biggest effect rather than note-off velocity.
I cannot seem to achieve the crisp staccato that I can on an acoustic piano or even my piano's native engine.
What may be the problem? Do others experience this as well?
Thanks!
My experience I that pianoteq handles articulations very good, much better than the built in sounds in my DP (which by the way doesn't send different note-off velocity values either). However, "wet" presets, I. E reverb or other effects that simulates larger rooms, can have a substantial impact on articulation and how it feels to play staccato. What preset do you use?
I think Pianoteq need to up their game on Staccato articulation, I don't think it's very good at all tbh. I have a Fantom 8 keyboard and the staccato when using Pianoteq is not very crisp or articulate. In comparison when I play VSL Steinway or Bosendorfer pianos they are truly crisp and articulate.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pianoteq, but I think there is no comparison regarding the sound of staccato as above. I hope one day Modartt can improve on this.
I think Pianoteq need to up their game on Staccato articulation, I don't think it's very good at all tbh. I have a Fantom 8 keyboard and the staccato when using Pianoteq is not very crisp or articulate. In comparison when I play VSL Steinway or Bosendorfer pianos they are truly crisp and articulate.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pianoteq, but I think there is no comparison regarding the sound of staccato as above. I hope one day Modartt can improve on this.
The Staccato perception may depend on what happens just after release, in particular the damper efficiency and the resonances. I suggest you try to play with the following parameters and see if it improves something for you:
- the Damping duration in the Action panel,
- the Sympathetic resonance and Duplex scale in the Design panel.
musicchamber wrote:I think Pianoteq need to up their game on Staccato articulation, I don't think it's very good at all tbh. I have a Fantom 8 keyboard and the staccato when using Pianoteq is not very crisp or articulate. In comparison when I play VSL Steinway or Bosendorfer pianos they are truly crisp and articulate.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pianoteq, but I think there is no comparison regarding the sound of staccato as above. I hope one day Modartt can improve on this.
The Staccato perception may depend on what happens just after release, in particular the damper efficiency and the resonances. I suggest you try to play with the following parameters and see if it improves something for you:
- the Damping duration in the Action panel,
- the Sympathetic resonance and Duplex scale in the Design panel.
Philippe, thank you for those tips / settings. I have adjusted the Damping duration to 50%, Sympathetic resonance to 115% and Duplex scale to 5! It is closer to what I'm used to with the VSL. Is there a way to get a little bit more crack / bite in the staccato sound, it's pretty close now and I'm liking the alterations. I don't even know if those adjustments to the settings make any sense whatsoever in your eyes, I'm purely going on the sound I'm hearing etc.
Music-chamber,
Perhaps what you are suggesting is highly dependent on the chosen preset that you are playing at the time?
Philippe Guillaume wrote:musicchamber wrote:I think Pianoteq need to up their game on Staccato articulation, I don't think it's very good at all tbh. I have a Fantom 8 keyboard and the staccato when using Pianoteq is not very crisp or articulate. In comparison when I play VSL Steinway or Bosendorfer pianos they are truly crisp and articulate.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pianoteq, but I think there is no comparison regarding the sound of staccato as above. I hope one day Modartt can improve on this.
The Staccato perception may depend on what happens just after release, in particular the damper efficiency and the resonances. I suggest you try to play with the following parameters and see if it improves something for you:
- the Damping duration in the Action panel,
- the Sympathetic resonance and Duplex scale in the Design panel.Philippe, thank you for those tips / settings. I have adjusted the Damping duration to 50%, Sympathetic resonance to 115% and Duplex scale to 5! It is closer to what I'm used to with the VSL. Is there a way to get a little bit more crack / bite in the staccato sound, it's pretty close now and I'm liking the alterations. I don't even know if those adjustments to the settings make any sense whatsoever in your eyes, I'm purely going on the sound I'm hearing etc.
Maybe a touch of EQ, a few dBs boost above 4000 Hz, and/or a small increase of the hammer noise. But as it will of course affect the whole sound, not only staccatos, you will have to be careful.
Music-chamber,
Perhaps what you are suggesting is highly dependent on the chosen preset that you are playing at the time?
Well, I have been sticking to 'close' sounding presets, but since the new Petrof I am using the prelude preset, I love it!
musicchamber wrote:Philippe Guillaume wrote:The Staccato perception may depend on what happens just after release, in particular the damper efficiency and the resonances. I suggest you try to play with the following parameters and see if it improves something for you:
- the Damping duration in the Action panel,
- the Sympathetic resonance and Duplex scale in the Design panel.Philippe, thank you for those tips / settings. I have adjusted the Damping duration to 50%, Sympathetic resonance to 115% and Duplex scale to 5! It is closer to what I'm used to with the VSL. Is there a way to get a little bit more crack / bite in the staccato sound, it's pretty close now and I'm liking the alterations. I don't even know if those adjustments to the settings make any sense whatsoever in your eyes, I'm purely going on the sound I'm hearing etc.
Maybe a touch of EQ, a few dBs boost above 4000 Hz, and/or a small increase of the hammer noise. But as it will of course affect the whole sound, not only staccatos, you will have to be careful.
Thank you, I will try as suggested.