Topic: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

If I have to take a guess, PTQ7 should probably be in a beta or RC phase by now..
Knowing that I'll upgrade to the new release for sure, I thought that perhaps I can join the testing program, just so I could enjoy the new release a little sooner..?
Keep in mind that although I have the Pro license, I'm far from being a professional and so I won't be able to provide any useful feedback.. this is strictly for personal and amateur use.

Of course I don't mind paying the upgrade fee in advance (and perhaps also purchase one or two of the new instruments that would probably be released with it).

So.. would that be possible?

Best,
- Moshe.

Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

bmoshe wrote:

If I have to take a guess, PTQ7 should probably be in a beta or RC phase by now..
Knowing that I'll upgrade to the new release for sure, I thought that perhaps I can join the testing program, just so I could enjoy the new release a little sooner..?
Keep in mind that although I have the Pro license, I'm far from being a professional and so I won't be able to provide any useful feedback.. this is strictly for personal and amateur use.

Of course I don't mind paying the upgrade fee in advance (and perhaps also purchase one or two of the new instruments that would probably be released with it).

So.. would that be possible?

Best,
- Moshe.


Among some of the improvements I would like for the Pianoteq 7 version are:

- Screen in16:9 resolution for full screen of the application;
- Specific audio output for Flat Surface Acoustic Transducer;
- New Piano K3;
- New presets for Steinway, including "Steinway D-270";

Respeito, Esforço e Sabedoria

Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

Drats - I thought this was some kind of announcement for V7! What a tease!

Greg

Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

bmoshe wrote:

If I have to take a guess, PTQ7 should probably be in a beta or RC phase by now..
Knowing that I'll upgrade to the new release for sure, I thought that perhaps I can join the testing program, just so I could enjoy the new release a little sooner..?
Keep in mind that although I have the Pro license, I'm far from being a professional and so I won't be able to provide any useful feedback.. this is strictly for personal and amateur use.

Of course I don't mind paying the upgrade fee in advance (and perhaps also purchase one or two of the new instruments that would probably be released with it).

So.. would that be possible?

Best,
- Moshe.

Some or all of that may be "possible", as to what is "probable" - - well,
here is my guess;

Beta testers are "PROBABLY" selected, ("invited" may be a better term) based on their credibility, which is likely gauged by their past history of constructive feedback on previous versions.

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Well, I’m going to just say same ole same ole, and since my very first forum post here.

Take a look: https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...11#p947811.

Really, a lot of progress has happened in the form of updates and upgrades.

About which I’m truly now grateful.  But, who knows: with soon a version 7 release I may become entirely ecstatic!

Love you!

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (26-08-2020 20:23)
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Man, I tell you what I really would now like to see if anyway possible (that is) someway to have now your regular standard ole MIDI file play as though you really recorded your performance at one of those very fancy and extremely expensive Yamaha Disklavier Pro pianos which that the Minnesota International e-Piano Competition might give away yearly just to its former contestants  —when they become winners.

Each contest winner gets a brand new Disklavier Pro along with a professional CD release contract from a highly reputable record label as part of his or her prize when he or she wins a piano contest.  Essentially any winner while expected to become, eventually, a pro gets a pro piano and a pro record label deal at the conclusion of each contest!

Although most Pianoteq end users got no Disklavier grand piano model, no impending recording contract and possibly for some just like me no remarkably high skill level like honestly in earnest a contest winner‘s.  Some however do have appreciably the YC5 and either PIANOTEQ PRO or Studio license agreements.  Which frankly, I think possibly, might benefit the bearers more if in an upcoming software version, they were allowed at least some sort of an emulation of that high quality Disklavier Pro’s higher resolution included within the form and into resultantly the playability or recordability of that YC5 or any of the other piano models  —but by only pseudo high resolutions given additionally to the end users to adjust in increments just how much they could want it used inside their final piano recordings er rerecordings (rerecordings resulted from old ill or standard equipped MIDI enabled keyboard hardware models). 

Which that regularly offered only standard MIDI as a format!

I’m saying Pianoteq developers can brain storm now new numerous ways to make MIDI that’s standard MIDI perform inside the software in ways as though it were truly indeed a higher resolution piano performance file, instead of the average one from some less equipped older keyboard.  Higher resolutions as randomized velocities might serve only one approach to answer any apparent performance problem.  Perhaps you could just adjust all the degrees of randomness to individual keys or registers in its implementation.  Certainly, an option-cursory click onto the Dynamics slider is a possible suggestion worth some further consideration.  However you decide maybe if implemented you want to emulate MIDI XP or MIDI High Resolution Velocity Prefix control change number eighty-eight (88) over an otherwise standard thirty (30) year old unchanged format of a MIDI file!

MODARTT might as the modern leader in this technology; it even might somehow nudge consumer grade board manufacturers enough to raise their standards for average consumers like you and me to eventually play more realistically and sound better after a recording.  So long as its people can, it might...  Have they in it a way to raise manufacturers’ (of consumer boards) awareness  —without any hitting the board members over their heads with a sorely needed two by four (2” x 4”)?

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Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

... ... "Have they in it a way to raise manufacturers’ (of consumer boards) awareness  —without any hitting the board members over their heads with a sorely needed two by four (2” x 4”)" ... ...

Not likely. Even a two by four  is not 2" x 4" !!

Lanny

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Pianoteq est un logiciel fabuleux qui procure un plaisir de jeu exceptionnel. C'est pourquoi je leur fais entièrement confiance quant aux évolutions d'une éventuelle version 7. Ils maîtrisent si parfaitement leur technologie qu'on ne peut avoir que de bonnes surprises en ce qui concerne la qualité des instruments, qu'ils soient nouveaux ou améliorés.
Cependant si j'avais quelques demandes à faire ce serait.
L'amélioration de l'interface ( taille plein écran, accès simple et visible aux instruments favoris )
Un preset "standard" pour tous les instruments, permettant de les comparer plus facilement (même micros niveaux etc...)
Le tempérament "Cordier" intégré.

Pianoteq is a fabulous software that provides exceptional playing pleasure. This is why I trust them completely when it comes to the evolutions of a possible version 7. They master their technology so perfectly that we can only have good surprises when it comes to the quality of the instruments, whether they are new or improved.
However, if I had some requests to make it would be.
The improvement of the interface ( full screen size, easy and visible access to favorite instruments )
A "standard" preset for all the instruments, allowing to compare them more easily (even micro levels etc...)
The "Cordier" temperament is integrated.

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LTECpiano wrote:

... ... "Have they in it a way to raise manufacturers’ (of consumer boards) awareness  —without any hitting the board members over their heads with a sorely needed two by four (2” x 4”)" ... ...

Not likely. Even a two by four  is not 2" x 4" !!

Lanny

Apparently with regards to a higher resolution MIDI performance from a keyboard, nobody really wants to admit to any performance problems in the keybed!  People seem embarrassed by them.  Obviously some experience feelings of inadequacy...

But, by two-by-four or four-in-the-floor performance becomes an issue...  Now that’s at hand...

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Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

Amen Ptah Ra wrote:

Man, I tell you what I really would now like to see if anyway possible (that is) someway to have now your regular standard ole MIDI file play as though you really recorded your performance at one of those very fancy and extremely expensive Yamaha Disklavier Pro pianos which that the Minnesota International e-Piano Competition might give away yearly just to its former contestants  —when they become winners.

Each contest winner gets a brand new Disklavier Pro along with a professional CD release contract from an highly reputable record label as part of his or her prize when he or she wins a piano contest.  Essentially any winner while expected to become, eventually, a pro gets a pro piano and a pro record label deal at the conclusion of each contest!

Although most Pianoteq end users got no Disklavier grand piano model, no impending recording contract and possibly for some just like me no remarkably high skill level like honestly in earnest a contest winner‘s.  Some however do have appreciably the YC5 and either PIANOTEQ PRO or Studio license agreements.  Which frankly, I think possibly, might benefit the bearers more if in an upcoming software version, they were allowed at least some sort of an emulation of that high quality Disklavier Pro’s higher resolution included within the form and into resultantly the playability or recordability of that YC5 or any of the other piano models  —but by only pseudo high resolutions given additionally to the end users to adjust in increments just how much they could want it used inside their final piano recordings er rerecordings (rerecordings resulted from old ill or standard equipped MIDI enabled keyboard models). 

Which that regularly offered only standard MIDI as a format!

I’m saying Pianoteq developers can brain storm now new numerous ways to make MIDI that’s standard MIDI perform inside the software in ways as though it were truly indeed an higher resolution piano performance file, instead of the average one from some less equipped older keyboard.  Higher resolutions as randomized velocities might serve only one approach to answer any apparent performance problem.  Perhaps you could just adjust all the degrees of randomness to individual keys or registers in its implementation.  Certainly, an option-cursory click onto the Dynamics slider is a possible suggestion worth some further consideration.  However you decide maybe if implemented you want to emulate MIDI XP or MIDI High Resolution Velocity Prefix control change number eighty-eight (88) over an otherwise standard thirty (30) year old unchanged format of a MIDI file!

MODARTT might as the modern leader in this technology; it even might somehow nudge consumer grade board manufacturers enough to raise their standards for average consumers like you and me to eventually play more realistically and sound better after a recording.  So long as its people can, it might...  Have they in it a way to raise manufacturers’ (of consumer boards) awareness  —without any hitting the board members over their heads with a sorely needed two by four (2” x 4”)?

Surely it is possible to convert a standard midi file to the new format and randomize the keypress data or any other data as one desires. This is only a matter of programming. Then all one has to do is play it back with Pianoteq or other compatible software or device.

Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

levinite wrote:

Then all one has to do is play it back with Pianoteq or other compatible software or device.

Personally, I am right now willing to take any suggestion under advisement...

You’re inferring maybe just use another software?

You know this thread is about a possible upcoming version 7 and beta users!

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Amen Ptah Ra wrote:
levinite wrote:

Then all one has to do is play it back with Pianoteq or other compatible software or device.

Personally, I am right now willing to take any suggestion under advisement...

You’re inferring maybe just use another software?

You know this thread is about a possible upcoming version 7 and beta users!

What I mean is a program can be written that takes a standard (low resolution) midi file and converts it to a high resolution midi file and while doing so it could add a bit of user defined randomness to the high resolution velocity or other values. This midi file could be played back with Pianoteq version 6 or other software compatible with high resolution midi.

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I totally agree with you, levinite,  Only, I’m suggesting PIANOTEQ is such a program or the application, if you’re on a Mac, specifically that might ultimately be the one to allow you to add in more amounts of randomness (that is) in addition to any already allowed by Hammer noise and Key release noise, and of course let you lastly decide whether it’s MIDI XP or MIDI High Resolution Velocity Prefix control change number eighty-eight (88) based.

Perhaps it shall just as easily as it can simply via Hammer noise and Key release noise, currently.  These that already permit some randomization in the software playback of standard MIDI files.  And, these do seem to let the software by itself add in various degrees of randomness identified largely as ‘humanization.’  Even only as part of a parameter that probably has any standard file within the software sounding less robotic and much less artificial than it might otherwise had without the software humanization available.

I’m proposing equally the standard format of the MIDI protocol, that is far wider in usage than both MIDI XP and Hi-res CC#88 combined, indeed should now also sound less MIDI in its performance too and have just as many increases in dynamic variances as the software allows.  (Let all of which extend to the standard likewise.)

Nobody a classical or jazz pianist really plays an acoustic piano within some arbitrary 128 velocities only!  You’ve no way to sound like an actual human being at a real acoustic if you’re confined and fettered to that restraint.  You just got no reason to limit yourself in real life!

Now I see absolutely no reason why the software shouldn’t or can’t also have its own high resolution MIDI data, newly emulated from any standard file, saved appropriately to otherwise those other dialects MIDI XP and Hi-res CC#88.

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Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

levinite wrote:
Amen Ptah Ra wrote:
levinite wrote:

Then all one has to do is play it back with Pianoteq or other compatible software or device.

Personally, I am right now willing to take any suggestion under advisement...

You’re inferring maybe just use another software?

You know this thread is about a possible upcoming version 7 and beta users!

What I mean is a program can be written that takes a standard (low resolution) midi file and converts it to a high resolution midi file and while doing so it could add a bit of user defined randomness to the high resolution velocity or other values. This midi file could be played back with Pianoteq version 6 or other software compatible with high resolution midi.

Sure.  It would even not be that hard to program a little midi utility app between your standard-res midi controller and Pianoteq that adds this randomness on the fly.  Not need to have it somehow built into Pianoteq, other than that would make it easier to use.  (In this case you would route your controller's midi into the randomizer app, which would then (1) make them hires, (2) adjust values, and (3) send the revised command on through to Pianoteq.)

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Good to know, no one is really objecting to the possibilities of a version 7!

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FEATURE REQUEST

Can that 'audio load' graph please run slower.
Now, when I hear a crack and want to see if the load was too high, the load at that moment is no longer visible.

Have a nice day & happy playin'

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About Hi-res CC#88 possibly emulated by an upcoming version, you honestly have to admit standard MIDI as a long accepted format is one older than a lot of the adult forum members and players today who are just old enough to vote in their governments and elect whoever should represent them. 

As a standard format it’s been around a lot longer than MIDI XP and HI-res CC#88.  Which were timely introduced in PIANOTEQ as soon as it became obvious modeled instruments are going to have none of this now standardized velocity limitation that had been before a given largely with sampled instruments.  The sampled instruments which have perhaps at best a maximum of sixteen (16) samples or volume examples prerecorded onto any given note of the instrument such as the piano, even it with its multitude of overtones possible in the real world acoustic version specifically. 

Basically wherever you played a digital keyboard, standard MIDI had always been accepted and therefore unquestioned before any advent of a modeled instrument invention, before that had been even dreamed or conceived.

This is a time when digital pianos could offer portability over acoustic counterparts especially to gigging musicians who played the more popular forms of music, about which people gladly danced, and with it coming from stages and inside contemporary recording sessions of an era.  Beginning just before 1980 via disco music, crowds swarmed to electronic sounds.  Few if any at the time of the early formation of the MIDI standard seriously considered an electronic keyboard or a digital for Dvořák.

Students at all levels today are learning to play also at digitals more than acoustic pianos.  However, just how accurately the digitals emulate the sought after sounds and key behaviors of the acoustics appears in the hands of decidedly digital piano keyboard manufacturers: greatly outside the reach of the young learners expressly.

PIANOTEQ is in a unique position. 

Although the vast majority of a large body of works in standard MIDI was recorded before its invention, should developers decide, upon an upgrade it might just permit those works along with any performances by the younger student performers themselves some of the badly needed actual real world velocities, normally, attained by only acoustic pianos whether or not a student can afford them now expressed at a usually entry level in his or her own home.

If right now you can’t afford to sound as though you’ve unlimited velocity choices at your finger tips, when you’ll want to convey all the intensity of your emotions and passion with which you really played, PIANOTEQ conceivably might better accommodate you with MIDI XP and HI-res CC#88 someday no matter your keyboard or resources.

Said another way, that is, it just might allow you to eventually not only play those files which have been costly made from MIDI XP or HI-res CC#88 formats, but also conveniently emulate them from even an economical entry-level digital keyboard.  One which beginning students often in any dorm or home normally use.

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Re: Pianoteq 7 & Beta Program

Call me a narcissist maybe!

I just feel if had anyone else besides me came up with the idea to have an opt to a humanization choice over the normally standard allowable (er accepted) MIDI velocities (127), so to have those instead reachable by a real acoustic or disklavier (either of which reaches practically an infinite number of them) or thereof a closer approximation, you’d today have the real life quality performance recorded into your own MIDI file, exactly the same as any a former contestant’s enjoyed out of the Minnesota International Piano-e-Competition!

That is irregardless of your hardware limits (keyboards), you could of had a recording of no discernible or no detectable paltry one hundred twenty-seven (127) velocities.  Which simply seems robotic, if not idiotic!  Which is no limitation, certainly, to an actual acoustic jazz piano recording, or even classical one for that matter.

My point is: your software might had already gotten some much needed humanization implemented inside this latest version.

I’m just saying...

(Moderator, if you believe I’ve again overstepped my boundaries you know you’re free to go ahead and delete this post too!)

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