Topic: FXP corner upload questions

The upload popup only has the FXP selection, an optional MP3 demo selection, and a field for a short description.  I see in the FXP table for some entries, the info has the author and basic FXP info plus a comment, which allows for a fuller description, and that some entries have 2 MP3 demos.

How is the comment added to the entry, and also an additional MP3?

Since acquiring Pteq Pro I’ve been trying to create a preset the reflects the tone and character of what I believe is a sampled Steinway. I hope I’ve come close, but I would be glad for some feedback and advice, and to this end I’d like to make my first upload, and include an MP3 demo of the preset, and one for the original sampled piano, both using the same MIDI and reverb for comparison.

Any help would be appreciated...

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Hey Tez,

on the pop-up, you can browse to select each the FXP you want to upload, then same, browse for the audio file, next type or paste a description (the same text you mention seeing in the table) - lastly click "Upload" and it should do the rest.

On a browser in the past, doing the 3 things in the initial pop-up occasionally failed for me (maybe some add-on got in the way).. so I got used to just uploading the FXP with a description first (to save waiting or re-doing).. if you do this

then, in the table, click where it says "+ Add an audio demo" in the second column across - you can do this for one or more extra files.

(trying to keep files around 10mb - or 3 smallish ones to be old-fashioned internet polite) - but sometimes, a bigger file is a good thing

Hope that helps get you going. I'd love to hear your Steinway comparison and preset - thanks for sharing btw!

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Thanks Qexl,

In the comment I wanted to clarify what I was trying to do, so it seems like there's 120 character limit in the "Give a short description:" field, and I've seen comments longer than that when I press the "i" info button in a table entry, do you know how that's done? Well I guess failing that I can always follow up here with a post. I've scooped up lot's of FXP presets, including most of yours, looking for the sound I've been trying to emulate. It took me brief while to figure out how you did "C. Bechstein DG Submarine", the power of the Spectrum Profile, which incidentally, is no small part of my trying to create my preset. I believe I read a comment of yours regarding types of mics and their placement to sculpt the sound, I wondered if they can adjust the attack, and still preserve the other dynamics, like volume? These tech details are not my forte, but we struggle on

Update: figured it all out, and uploaded https://forum.modartt.com/file/108x3o1r, so you can see if its any good

Last edited by Tez (07-07-2020 01:30)

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Tez wrote:

Update: figured it all out, and uploaded https://forum.modartt.com/file/108x3o1r, so you can see if its any good

Your Steinway D Akai Splendid Grand is a very nice FXP preset. Thank you very much for making it available.

Out of curiosity, where did you obtain the Hard Stage impulse reverb? Is it a part of some collection available online?

The FXP you produced appears meticulously crafted, with a complex, many-control-point editing of the main Equalizer in Pianoteq, including Resonance EQ and Res. Duration. It also includes a comprehensive note-by-note editing of each note's spectrum profile. What was your rationale or method in deriving or producing the equalization and spectrum profiles? Did you use any particular software or hardware tools to do a comparison between the Pianoteq Steinway D and the Akai Splendid Grand?

Thanks again.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (12-07-2020 05:09)
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Re: FXP corner upload questions

Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Out of curiosity, where did you obtain the Hard Stage impulse reverb? Is it a part of some collection available online?

The convolution reverb “Cakewalk Perfect Space” v 1.4 came with a chunk of IR .wav files, “Hard Stage” is just one of them, which I’ll use in Pteq and otherwise.

The main Equalizer is meticulously tedious, take 2 samples, 1 reference (Akai), 1 target (Pteq) and create a matching EQ curve, use a 100% match amount, and smooth the curve to a percent where eq points (freq & dB) can be identified, and then comes the tedious part documenting them. A 0% smoothing, though maybe ideal, is too complicated and typically beyond the dB range. The matching can be done with iZotope Ozone, but getting accurate eq points may not be so easy it depends on the version and a creative use of the vst’s available eq controls ...   

For the spectrum profile checkout this post for basic details: https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...31#p966231

The initial profile can be a tad extreme so, in order to rescale an 88-note profile I wrote a simple program to accomplish the task, which incidentally doubles to rescale an EQ curve!

Now the “Res”, for this I checked out various reference (Akai) notes with Voxengo’s SPAN to see the lingering frequency center for the decaying spectrum, and initially made a simple res & duration, but finally borrowed Amen Steinway B Gentle (Res) Borrowed.fxp res & duration, which was in the ball-park and to my ear sounded good.

All my secrets revealed

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Tez wrote:

All my secrets revealed

So meticulous, laborious, technical and detailed that probably few users of Pianoteq would attempt such a project.
But the explanation is very interesting, and the results outstanding. Thank you again for making that FXP available.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (12-07-2020 05:10)
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Re: FXP corner upload questions

Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Thank you again for making that FXP available.

First no thanks are necessary, you share your presets!

I'm not a preset maker perse, I just missed the Akai tone, but with only 4 velocity layers the dynamics can be abrupt, hence the desire to make a Pteq version, which I hasten to add comes close but no cigar! Any way I have one more version "Steinway D Akai Splendid Grand II", slightly gentler in which the Spectrum Profile was taken and created in a somewhat different manor, plus an Eq3 tweak. I wasn't planning to upload but if you're interested I will...

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Tez wrote:

Any way I have one more version "Steinway D Akai Splendid Grand II", slightly gentler in which the Spectrum Profile was taken and created in a somewhat different manor, plus an Eq3 tweak. I wasn't planning to upload but if you're interested I will...

Absolutely! Please!
The sound and timbre you achieved in modifying the Pianoteq Steinway D to achieve your goal in mimicking a favorite sample set is impressive, and satisfying to play.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (12-07-2020 05:12)
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Re: FXP corner upload questions

Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Absolutely!

Okeydoke, will do

Re: FXP corner upload questions

Stephen_Doonan wrote:
Tez wrote:

Any way I have one more version "Steinway D Akai Splendid Grand II", slightly gentler in which the Spectrum Profile was taken and created in a somewhat different manor, plus an Eq3 tweak. I wasn't planning to upload but if you're interested I will...

Absolutely! Please!
The sound and timbre you achieved in modifying the Pianoteq Steinway D to achieve your goal in mimicking a favorite sample set is impressive and, in my opinion anyway, very useful and satisfying to play.

If developers were to include a small spectrum match window you could option-click to access its functionality inside PIANOTEQ PRO, it might make it all the the more useful to professional users who in a hurry need to duplicate a particular piano sound off the recording of a current hit song!

And, it might just take some of the tediousness out of your process just to leave it up to your computer processor’s...

It just might without my being too cynical about it...

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (10-07-2020 17:30)
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