Topic: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

I love to see this happen, I know it sits in Canada but I bet the model pack would sell very well.

Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

theinvisibleman wrote:

I love to see this happen, I know it sits in Canada but I bet the model pack would sell very well.

AFAIK one was at Columbia Records and later captured by CineSamples as Piano In Blue. The same Steinway would have been used for Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue.

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

The one on display in Canada is a CFII from the 1970s; he ordered two from Yamaha.  It's basically the same as the CFIII, except that it lacks (I believe) the extended trichord scaling and therefore has a slightly different bass bridge position and sound from the CFIII/CFIIIS.  (You could experiment with my CFIII preset by resetting/reducing the Resonance EQ and Resonance Duration curves which were how I compensated for the trichord scaling.)

https://forum.modartt.com/file/50a3onfr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QmJkY4XMjw

He recorded his last three albums on that CFII.  I had planned to try to emulate that particular instrument as an FXP as an upcoming project, since the differences between the CFIII and CFII/CF aren't terribly substantial--that I'm aware of.

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Since now he knows where it is, somebody at MODARTT maybe needs to get his hands on that piano right away.  He’s got apparently no trademark problem so long as he can simply temporarily call it something like Gould’s from Goldberg or Gould’s Goldberg piano modeled.

Sometime you have to seize the opportunity, however it’s presented!

If I were a huge or giant conglomerate such as Yamaha, I’d probably even feel enough compelled afterwards to permit MODARTT usage of my Yamaha brand name in any subsequent PIANOTEQ projects also, as I’d eventually have to recognize surely this small software company could merit it exclusively from its innovative and distinct musical instruments modeling, which happens to be outside my own extensive but broad range of various somewhat unrelated types of products I myself offer.

Right now PIANOTEQ is the most affordable alternative to the otherwise hard to get and expensive sound quality of the Yamaha Disklavier (that is) whenever recorded into the XP MIDI format native to Yamaha.  (No doubt now no other VST is more capable or better suited to this format than a copy of PIANOTEQ.)  It’s just an economically sound option to the struggling students everywhere wanting to get into the conservatories but can’t right now afford high costs of any Disklavier piano (added to the already high costs of some school tuitions).

Certainly, there is now no prohibitive language barrier to the French speaking  —within the Canadian location of that CFII piano!

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

The thing might be that Yamaha itself works in the sound generation business, selling standalone silent piano solutions as far as I am aware - so licencing the name might cut into that business.
But you could call it the "Glenn Goldberg" piano

Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Gee, just as it becomes affordable in students auditioning to receive acceptances into or from conservatories, it might as well also become heralded as a deterrent against any ever joining gangs, if you simply could call it O.G.G.G.

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Gleen Gould's piano (CD318): surely,
Gleen Gould's seat, maybe not ...
https://wendydavis.me/spirallingshape/w...Chair4.jpg
https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj...854-v6.jpg

For "CD318", see: https://nac-cna.ca/en/stories/story/wha...-stand-for

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Ha, surely this indicates the CD318 is the better of the choices in any finding an accurate and well cherished representation of his, and even an American grand, that is, by all accounts a modern piano.  Which is missing, surely.  Although, I’ve been wanting personally to see something modeled in a size B dimension from Astoria, Queens.

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Speaking of Glenn Gould and his chair--

https://youtu.be/pL9YjM1BqgY

Regarding his favorite piano at the time he recorded Bach's two- and three-part inventions as a young man, the recording engineers felt obligated to include a disclaimer in the notes for the recording (which I read when I had a physical copy of the recording, since digitized), about a peculiar stutter one of the keys produced when hitting the strings, and other idiosyncrasies of the instrument. Gould evidently favored pianos with a very light touch (as did Horowitz, at least in his mid-to-later years), and with a sharp attack, which Gould described as being like "an emasculated harpsichord."

In the hands of Glenn Gould, his favored pianos sounded fine; but as faithfully-modelled replicas, I'm guessing that in others' hands they might not seem so good, especially if the golden-patina of his name were not associated with them.

Of several pianos during his lifetime, Glenn Gould's favorite was a particular Steinway designated 318 CD, but it suffered an accident in transit and its cast-iron harp cracked. Gould reluctantly abandoned it after years of attempting to have it restored to its former state and the particular sound he loved. More info--

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/...s-steinway
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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Surely, then Chickering it is...

No other piano perhaps is as sweet a representation as this one of Gould’s youth and early development as it was spent peacefully in the rural home location, shown by the video, north and far out of the way of bustling U.S. cities. 

According to Wikipedia Frank Chickering had the Imperial Cross of the Legion of Honour, bestowed upon him by Emperor Napoleon III the first French president, for services to the art of music.

Man, let’s see a Yamaha, a Steinway, and a Chickering, could together be worthy of a possible future Gould collection?  That notably someday could include the two Americans and the one Japanese altogether just via modern MODARTT modeling.  Maybe the Gould name is important enough a big name to mean a lot by itself. 

It seems though Yamaha as a corporation might take some more swaying than others might. 

The reason I know is... 

An ex-girlfriend of mine —and possibly still Yamaha— sees herself as a Yamaha artist...

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Re: Gould's piano used on the Goldberg variations - Modeled for Pianoteq

Historically, brand marketing has a lot more to do with the question of an artist's favorite piano, than the artist does--sadly.  Liszt lent his name to dozens of piano makers, and then each embellished the endorsement as though it were the only piano he used or the only endorsement he ever gave.  Not to mention that Gould was quite an enigma in every way; I would even be wary of original sources that try to define what "his favorite piano" or "his ideal piano" was, because his preferences and style changed throughout his life--as they do with nearly any artist.

I remember John Browning commenting that Horowitz always wanted something "more" than the modern concert grand--something that offered greater volume, greater tone, and greater depth and that Horowitz was limited by the constraints of the modern piano, not technique or skill.  (That's from the Dubal radio interview he did the 80s which is an excellent source!)

I'm also amazed how the demand for signing as a brand artist has decreased in my lifetime.  While having Steinway or Yamaha oversee concert services and instrument transport provided for you--along with potential discounts on new, privately-owned instruments, it doesn't begin to carry the weight it did a few decades ago.  Most remaining major brands don't even offer the option to sign as an artist for the brand; I know in particular Fazioli makes a point of not offering that because they'd rather have the quality of the instruments being the selling point to artists, rather than force artists to be tied for years to what a single brand has to offer.

I'd be fascinated to know what Gould or Horowitz (or any great artist who lived and worked entirely before the computer age, for that matter) would think of the modern piano market now, of specific and more innovative brands like Fazioli and Chris Maene, and of Pianoteq itself.  I suspect that both of them would, if nothing else, appreciate the flexibility and control of the sound of Pianoteq, and the flexibility of having unlimited concert grands on a device--like a Raspberry Pi--that fits in one's pocket.  All too often, I've heard complaints from artists who tour about the inability to find an instrument for practice, and who have given anything for the portability that something like Pianoteq offers!

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