Pianoteq and iLoud monitors

Try different mic positions and mic types, and pay attention in what changes about these negative feeling in the monitors output after each mic change.

There is something weird about different speakers or phones and the human brain. Our brain can get used with some bad things and ignore with time, for example about bad phones. If you use a bad headphone for a long time you will believe it just warm-in (get better/breaking-in), and many people thinks all speakers need time to wam-in to get the full quality. But in reality it's most just the brain getting used.
I was forced to use a headphone I hate (and I hate all models I ever tested) due sound disturbing people, and now the phones are less disgusting, but I know I just got used, in some degree,with the bad phone quality.

Maybe you get used with the sound of your StagePass with pianoteq, and now the flat response of iLoud monitor with pianoteq can be strange to you.
But if other piano softwares sonds ok, maybe it's a matter of mic position on pianoteq or something else in your system setup.

By the way, I researched about what exactly people refer when they say "Boxy Sound" :

I kind of suspected that same thing regarding the human brain/speaker reaction. As for the Boxy sound, my description would be a mid-rangy ,honky hollow type of sound. Playing in the upper registers sounds lifeless and harmonically uninteresting i.e. sounding like the higher overtones are disappearing quicker than they normally would. Also, the flatness of the IK monitors might just need some getting used to.
I will take your suggestions of experimenting more with the mic configurations

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Normhart wrote:

Hi,

I’ve been using Pianoteq Pro 6.5.3 and recently decided to rearrange my speaker setup. Originally, I’ve been using my old Yamaha StagePas 300 and have been pretty much ok with the sound. Just the other day, I put a couple of IK Multimedia iLoud monitors directly in front and facing me as recommended for the best performance. I was very disappointed with the result. It sounded boxy and lifeless - unlike the StagePas. I should mention that the StagePas speakers are roughly 5 feet away and there is some of the room in the overall sound but I was somewhat surprised by the poor sound from the iLouds. I have the iLouds on speaker stands running flat settings about 3 1/2 feet apart and 1 foot away. It’s strange that these speakers sound great with everything else except Pianoteq.
There’s a video of a review of the iLoud/Pianoteq combination by a guy named Pianoman Chuck that he gave very positive marks (and sounded great on that video by the way) but I don’t get the same results on my identical setup.

Norman

There’s a video of a review of the iLoud/Pianoteq combination by a guy named Pianoman Chuck that he gave very positive marks (and sounded great on that video by the way) but I don’t get the same results on my identical setup.

Norman

I'm afraid we don't have something to clean-up ear/hearing.

When judges score between smells /cents for perfumes, they use cofee powder to clean-up the smell sensation of the previous smell.

When judges score different version of a given dish for food industry, they clean-up the taste perception of the previous dish with water.

But we don't have something to fast clean-up sound perception.  Or do we have?

Beto-Music wrote:

I don't want to judge or accuse PianoManCHuck, as I don't know enough about his video reviews productions, but I found this video which I believe it's the mentioned in this topic, and I can clearly see he gave a bad velocity curve adjust making pianoteq too bright (high velocity) and so enhancing the very few artificial qualities it had in 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvACjdWk-AU

I just fired up Pianoteq/iLoud again today and things seem to be somewhat better this morning. Could environmental conditions have some influence on this? When I tried it out the first time, it was late in the evening (and raining outside, high humidity) I did do some adjustments and managed to get a much better result.

As for PMC, that curve looks like an included preset for ‘moderately slow keyboard’. His reviews are generally useful - at least he makes me aware of useful products I otherwise would not have heard of.

Normhart wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:

I don't want to judge or accuse PianoManCHuck, as I don't know enough about his video reviews productions, but I found this video which I believe it's the mentioned in this topic, and I can clearly see he gave a bad velocity curve adjust making pianoteq too bright (high velocity) and so enhancing the very few artificial qualities it had in 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvACjdWk-AU

I just fired up Pianoteq/iLoud again today and things seem to be somewhat better this morning. Could environmental conditions have some influence on this? When I tried it out the first time, it was late in the evening (and raining outside, high humidity) I did do some adjustments and managed to get a much better result.

As for PMC, that curve looks like an included preset for ‘moderately slow keyboard’. His reviews are generally useful - at least he makes me aware of useful products I otherwise would not have heard of.

I use the iloud Micro-monitors with Pianoteq and my Yamaha CVP709. In order to get the best out of them, they do need running in, ie playing music through them for 20 or 30 hours. Even so, they retain a certain coloration as do most speakers. Maybe fiddling with microphones will help but I have acclimated to them and enjoy the sound they produce.

Paul H