Topic: Any jazzer around?

Hi all,

It seems many of you music lovers and Pianoteq users play pre-20th century stuff (aka "Classical" music) and make the most of PTQ's versatility and richness in terms of sound and different piano models. I'm just wondering if there is any other jazz player on this forum, and what piano model they use. Of course it is mainly a matter of taste, but I would be interested into hearing the experience of other jazz fellows.

I myself (a recent PTQ Stage buyer) have chosen Steinway Model D and Electric Pianos.

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I'm by no means a good piano player (I would say not even competent), but I do love jazz piano (and Ye Olde stuff too ).  I have the Steinway D and the K2 and since v6 the K2 has become much more interesting to me (but it's hard to escape the D - keep going back).  I have the Kremsegg 2 pack ("ye olde pianos") and I rather like using them as well (for anything - don't get stuck into thinking in terms of modern piano only).  I particularly like the Frenzel and the Bechstein (in the Kremsegg 2 pack).

With the sale on I suspect I will not be able to resist the Bluethner for long : hard to not find that sound attractive for jazz.  The Steingraeber is also on my list (OK, they're all on my list, but those are the top suspects).

I find that since v6 (and the 6.5 update) I'm finding far more scope in the Steinway and K2 than I had been.  I have no idea why, but they seem to have a lot more richness and variety in them (via customization and microphone/reverb settings) than they had before.  The K2 used to sound a little artificial in the range just below middle C and now it sounds really a lot more natural.  I've noticed since v6 that the number of FXPs being made seems to have dropped off - I think Modartt have really nailed down the realism to the point where FXPs aren't needed as much - YMMV.

For jazz I think you should consider upgrading to Standard (from Stage).  You get the microphone placement and other tweaking features and I really think the microphone settings are a huge thing - it just changes the sound so much it's hard to describe until you play around with it.  I have not regretted upgrading from Stage to Standard at all - just the microphone settings makes it worth it, IMO.  The ability to load full FXPs and the impulse reverb features and tweaking make it a must have - more so than additional instruments.

Version 6+ has really changed my wishlist.  The sounds have evolved to the point where there isn't much "missing" (that I can tell) and instruments I didn't use much (like the K2) are now really getting a lot more attention.  I think I've spent more time with the K2 than the D since v6.

If you're not upgrading to Standard (do first, IMO) then consider the Kremsegg 2 pack (Frenzel and Bechstein 1899 - personal bias) or the Bluethner Model One (probably better for jazz).

StephenG

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I've been a jazz piano student and enthusiast (amateur, not professional) for about 20 years now. I used to play sample libraries like the Galaxy Vintage D, but once I discovered Pianoteq v5, I haven't touched my sample libraries since. My piano of choice is definitely the Steingraeber E-272 (the standard preset by that same name). I think the crisp, bright (but not harsh) sound is very well suited to jazz, especially modern styles like that of, for example, Bill Evans. My next favorite model is the Steinway D (the standard "Home" preset). I play the Steingraeber about 90 percent of the time and the Steinway D about 10 percent of the time. I also have the Bluethner and enjoy playing it for certain classical pieces now and then.

Like you, I also have the Stage version of Pianoteq. I recognize and respect the advantages of having the Standard version, especially for microphone placement, but I'm the kind of person who can easily get lost in all the tweaking to the point that I wouldn't get much playing done. I like being able to load up a good preset and just play. Thus far, I've been very pleased with the presets that are available in the Stage version, though I don't use very many different ones. I tend to zero in on one or two favorite presets for each instrument and then stick with them for my day to day practice.

One thing you're going to love about Pianoteq for jazz, in particular, is that you can replay anything you've played recently because of the way it buffers everything in MIDI. If you happen to play a phenomenal improvised piece, for example, you can play it back and even save a MIDI file after the fact so you can refer to it later and perhaps turn it into a composition. And that's just one example of how you might use that powerful feature. Good luck, and keep swinging!

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I'm a very amateurish self-taught piano player, and have always (modestly) played jazz first (mostly free impro or personal compositions for my own pleasure, also standards with a female singer friend for a few years). I bought PTQ Stage with Steinway Model D and K2 grand piano, then I bought the C. Bechstein DG and the Vibraphones. I plan to buy the Electric Pianos too.

I find that the C. Bechstein DG is the best for me : everything is very clear and never muddy.
Bass notes are very strong and sharply defined (good for walking bass lines, latin rhythm or big heavy fifth), chord voicings can be as soft or loud as you want while each note remains perfectly distinct and then treble notes are pure crystal !

Vibraphones are a guilty pleasure, highly recommended (think re-recording piano-vibraphones, ala Corea-Burton !).

By the way one of my favourite contemporary jazz player is jeff Gardner :
https://soundcloud.com/user-450537853/s...io-abra-os
What about yours ?

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Thank you all for your kind and detailed replies! I will consider all your suggestions and tips.

sjgcit wrote:

For jazz I think you should consider upgrading to Standard (from Stage)

This is something I was considering, but I'm still hesitating between adding more piano models (with the July discount!) or adding more functionality. You certainly have a point here.

tom_craft24 wrote:

One thing you're going to love about Pianoteq for jazz, in particular, is that you can replay anything you've played recently because of the way it buffers everything in MIDI

I've never checked it out before... I tried and was amazed to hear all my musical ravings played back accurately! A nice feature indeed...

Soel wrote:

By the way one of my favourite contemporary jazz player is jeff Gardner... What about yours ?

Wow, I didn't know him, very interesting! I'm currently digging Dan Tepfer:
https://youtu.be/pY084DID2sk

Thanks again for your help and ideas.

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Hi,
Just wanted to say a big thank to Soel for introducing me to the Jeff Gardner Trio.
I have been putting together a nice quality hifi system Cambridge Audio SXA60 and
KEF LS50's etc. He plays just the type of music I want to hear (especially in the
evening) with the lights dimmed.
Chris

p.s. Playing Pianoteq (and Ravenscroft 275) through good quality amps and speakers
make such a difference to the sound.

Last edited by Chris64 (03-07-2019 01:08)

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I play a lot of jazz and find the YC5 sounds great.  All of Bill Evans' Fantasy Records recordings were done on a specific Yamaha at Fantasy Studios (which just closed down this year unfortunately). I also find the Grotrian is good for jazz.


- Paul

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i'm a jazz pianist.  i've purchased all the pianos except the Kremsegg collections (and am probably going to get them too), so i've tried many different things.  my favorites are

Bechstein DG
Steinway B
Petrof
Steingraber
Grotrian
Bluethner

the U4 is also fun, as are the electric pianos.

for me the most significant things about getting a sound i like are the mic configuration and the reverb.  a lot of the classical presets use distant mic setups to get the ambience of a large space, along with a large chamber reverb (like medium hall etc).  the sounds i'm after tend to have a fairly close mic setup and "smaller" reverbs, unless i'm trying to get that big ECM sound.  i wish i knew more about what i'm doing; i've learned a lot from the experts in this forum, but i'm still an amateur.

one useful thing for experimenting is to freeze the parameters for the mics of a preset you like, and then try it out on different pianos.   for example one of my favorites is a variation of the Bechstein Recording 2 preset.  you can take that mic setup and apply it to other pianos.  the Steinway D Jazz preset has a very interesting mic config to check out.

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My son is a moderately accomplished youth jazz player (playing at the Saulkrasti festival in Latvia in a couple of weeks and in August at the Telluride Jazz Festival with their All Star youth program). His go-to is the Steinway B.

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Steinway B is my current favorite ...

I also play the D, Bluethner, and Steingraeber ... but the B is my go-to these days.

cheers,

Jack

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Hi,

I don't consider myself to be a 'jazzer' but I love to play tunes that have been 'tweaked' by musicians in the know. e.g.
more elaborate chords (9'ths, 11's and chord progressions based around the circle of fifths).
David Escher is one of my favourite Youtube piano players for this type of music.
I noticed he had been in the prizes on a Pianoteq competition. Get's everywhere that one !!!
Have a listen to one of his videos,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMsWGkF6Pw

Chris

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I've eventually chosen (and bought) the Steingraeber, with which I can have both softness and brilliance. I also decided myself for the Steinway B which sounds a bit more "intimate" than the D. That's what I love about Pianoteq: each piano model has it's own sound and personality. Really impressive...

Thanks again to all for your suggestions and examples.