Topic: Pianoteq 6.4 Changes

From https://www.pianoteq.com/changelog
    New instrument: the C. Bechstein Digital Grand.
    Revoicing of grand pianos Steinway D, Steinway B and K2.
    The VST3 plugin is now able to take into account the "tuning" parameter of VST3 note events (useful for users of alternative tunings
in Dorico).
    When navigating in the MIDI sequence, Pianoteq will restore the position of the pedals.
    SysEx messages are now kept in midi files when saving (instead of being removed).
    The metronome tic toc sound has been slightly changed.
    The tempo / time signature of the metronome is now embedded in midi files recorded with Pianoteq.
    When using external reverb impulses, Pianoteq will store (if possible) the path of the WAV file relative to the Pianoteq presets folder, or to the user home folder.

Even apart from the Bechstein, very nice stuff! I'm very happy with external impulse responses stored relative; which means presets with ext. impulse reponses can be platform independent; important because I use Mac at home, and Windows during gigs.
Revoicing of D, B and K2.... goning to check this out ASAP.

MP11SE, FP30; Pianoteq on Mac, Windows, Linux
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'loving the revoicing of the Steinways!

Matthieu 7:6

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_DJ_ wrote:

'loving the revoicing of the Steinways!

Oh yes, especially the B. So much more elegant!
Is it my imagination, or do the other pianos sound better also?

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Just D, B and K2 were revoiced.

Hard work and guts!

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What does revoicing mean? Does it mean a change to the presets that any of us with the right version could make, or is it a deeper change?

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These are usually internal changes to the model. Sometimes they may be complemented with note by note edits accessible to pro users.

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i see, thanks

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Edchamberlain wrote:

What does revoicing mean? Does it mean a change to the presets that any of us with the right version could make, or is it a deeper change?

Gilles wrote:

These are usually internal changes to the model. Sometimes they may be complemented with note by note edits accessible to pro users.

Anyone care to elaborate on said changes —by an example, what, when, where, how, and why!

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Just played 6.4 for an hour..Stein B did not seem very different to my hears. Maybe a little smoother. Stein D however sounds much better! More definition, richer bass. The D now seems a must have for me!
As for the Beckstein DG, I need more time with it. Initially, it seemed a little brash and cold, but tweaking rapidly improved it. The preset "snappy" is very nice, more bite than pretty much anything I have hear in PT.
Anybody else noticed the cool new sidebar display in the Effects section?

PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

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aWc wrote:

Anybody else noticed the cool new sidebar display in the Effects section?

For the compressor FX? That's been there for a long time now.

Hard work and guts!

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Very tasteful musical improvements - quick staccato to me feels and sounds more true and the textures of developing slow movements far richer and melded. The Steinway D and B have such new tone depth and character. Very happy also that the K2 had a revisit.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

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First try yesterday, I must test some more hours but I find a great improvement on the Steinway B.
The bass notes are now more natural, without the chorus-like or flanger-like effect they had before.

The Steinway D is more round, delicate on the upper register, less agressive.

Didnt' test the K2 yet.


Thanks Modartt for this update

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Well done! The Steinway D is much much better!!! To be rational, there are more balance between lower & higher registers, both in volume and timber. Lower keys are louder and have too much harmonics than highs in previous versions. The problem really annoyed me because the overly aggresive bass masked high notes and messed up the music. I'm satisfied that the problem has gone. Besides, higher range has fewer glass&crystal flavor which makes it more convincing now.

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seems like 6.4 consumes more CPU than 6.3 .... anyone else experiencing that? (on the might Surface Pro 3 .... )

but other than that .... Model B is sound better, Model D as well .... Bechstein ... finally

best

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steff3 wrote:

seems like 6.4 consumes more CPU than 6.3 .... anyone else experiencing that? (on the might Surface Pro 3 .... )
but other than that .... Model B is sound better, Model D as well .... Bechstein ... finally
best

Yes, my impression is that on the Tinkerboard/ARM 6.4 gets CPU problem more often than 6.3, too, especially with the newer instruments. I'd like to play the Steingraeber regularly but the result on the Tinkerboard is not sufficient (the Steinway B is very nice, though). All in 44.1kHz.

I'd really like to hear from Modartt what their idea is on the ARM version; I like it a lot for practise, but than there seems to be no ARM hardware available on the market which is powerful enough to run it as a stage-ready instrument.

I'm also wondering what "polyphony" means for a software where you should always have a "state" of a complex combination of resonating strings and others parts of the piano, not a certain number of pianos all playing a single note and then mixed together with some extra-effects?

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eriks wrote:

Yes, my impression is that on the Tinkerboard/ARM 6.4 gets CPU problem more often than 6.3, too, especially with the newer instruments. I'd like to play the Steingraeber regularly but the result on the Tinkerboard is not sufficient (the Steinway B is very nice, though). All in 44.1kHz.

used the Steingraeber as well ....

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Although the intricate details of Pianoteq’s piano voicings are unbeknownst to me, I just want to say bravo to all at Modartt and the beta team that contributed to the latest revoicing.

It appears a marvelous scheme beckoning the listener to envision now discrete discernible sections, even the individual key placement of the keybed; upon which the pianist perhaps to become the virtuoso performs.

I may add; as once I compared the software Pianoteq to piano recordings, I today openly compare piano recordings to Pianoteq!  And, it’s affordable to the struggling artist anywhere!

Pianoteq 8 Studio Bundle, Pearl malletSTATION EM1, Roland (DRUM SOUND MODULE TD-30, HandSonic 10, AX-1), Akai EWI USB, Yamaha DIGITAL PIANO P-95, M-Audio STUDIOPHILE BX5, Focusrite Saffire PRO 24 DSP.

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A video review of the new piano and the changed pianos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCixtVA...e=youtu.be

Found on the Pianoworld forum at http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads....ost2803038

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Not sure if I'm the only, but I feel K2 (revoiced) have some trouble in the bass, from B1 flat to C2 sharp.
Sounds too ringing, too much vibration when reach F or FF or more

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Why the metronome changes? The new sound is very harsh and unpleasant to the ears to the point that it has become unusable for me. And it is way too loud. At the default level it sounds at the forte level, and even at the lowest (-15db) level it sounds annoying and distracting with the new sound.

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Because metronome changes were requested, apparently. By all means if you dislike it, use a DAW.

Hard work and guts!

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Montuno wrote:

Why the metronome changes? The new sound is very harsh and unpleasant to the ears to the point that it has become unusable for me. And it is way too loud. At the default level it sounds at the forte level, and even at the lowest (-15db) level it sounds annoying and distracting with the new sound.

Yes I agree with the fact that it is too loud.
I am ok with the sound but it is loud.
Pianoteq has a high output level in comparison with other vst instruments.
For that reason I play usually at -7dB on the volume knob.
The metronom is then too high, even at -10dB.

I think this should be seen as a problem in the last version.

A solution could be to lower the output level of the metronom.
Another is to link the metronom with the volume of the piano.

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The best option would be to add some more volume level choices.

Hard work and guts!