Topic: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

Hello,

To get the sound I like, I have frozen an EQ setting I like, and a velocity curve I like.  All good.

Freezing EQ and velocity curve has helped me very very much, to finally re-acquire the very pleasant sound quality I loved in Pianoteq 5 which seemed to change into a very harsh sound in Pianoteq 6 or whenever the new, "more realistic" sound was issued.  I feel my experience of harshness in Pianoteq is now gone and solved....except...

I would like to freeze a NOTE EDIT to the note volume settings, because to really get the sound I like on my system, I have to roll off and reduce the volume of the top couple of octaves.  When I do this the high notes sound much better and more realistic. If I do not do this, the top two octave play a good bit too loud (unrealistically so).
The problem is not with my keyboard (other software pianos sound just fine in the top octaves). The problem is not in the velocity curve (all the lower octaves sound just fine).
 
But my question: is there a way to freeze a specific NOTE EDIT / NOTE VOLUME curve setting so it can apply to all instruments?  I am talking about individual Note Volume that I control by double clicking on the VOLUME slider. I need to know more about saving changes to Note Volume.

As to whether there is a global Freeze setting for NOTE EDIT / Note Volume, I am thinking the answer is NO, because I notice that the NOTE EDIT (Volume) setting is already different from instrument to instrument, so why would it let me over-ride that with a global freeze to a generic NOTE EDIT that I happen to like "in general".

2nd question: If I find that I really do need to roll off and reduce the top end volume of pretty much every Pianoteq instrument, (and I cannot accomplish it with EQ or velocity curve settings), but I CAN accomplish it with NOTE EDIT / Note Volume, would I have to tweak every single patch of every single instrument, and resave each patch of each instrument with a new name?   It would be so nice if there could be a default curve to handle this.

thank you in advance!

Wade C
Dallas, TX

Pianoteq Standard 6.3.0, iMac mid 2017, High Sierra, Roland RD-300GX
Have all the Pianoteq sounds/instruments.

Re: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

Hi Wade,

I'll step through in case I'm missing something - hope this is it..


Q1 about freezing a single note edit.

1
Open a piano, preset like 'Steinway D Home'.

2
Double click volume slider like you mention doing.

3
change a random single note to whatever you can see, like say B2 down to -27dB so you clearly see the yellow line.

4
click "Freeze" param button and choose to freeze only "Main Volume".

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then select a different piano and or preset like the 'Steinway B Home'.

6
again double click volume - check to see the yellow line

If you can, then that's the parameter you want to include in your freezing technique.

You can't 'save' that by itself like a separate preset file - but you don't need to if you make an overall default piano preset of your own, as in pick a piano, create all the tweaks/defaults you want then begin your sessions with it, select freeze all (except maybe string length) and any piano you click should contain everything you did - including your volume or other single note edits when choosing "freeze all".

In my case, I save swathes of edited pianos with different names and info in the editable info section in case I forgot what I did to it in particular. I will freeze certain ones and apply to others then always SAVE that sucker as it's own preset - to a folder like "My presets" or "2019" to keep them away from the defaults.


Q2 about roll off top end etc

You can use note-edit to make a 'curve' for your volume - the blue control points are handy for dragging up and down. I sometimes create a dip in left-hand mids this way (just for playing, I like to make chords accompanying melody a little softer sometimes). If you do this for your killer default, then freezing all should apply this to all other pianos you click on.

If I haven't missed something, then this should do it - Hope that's what you need


[EDIT to add] - re clarity or brightness - without saying either way is good or bad - It can help to lower the velocity of playing (or input velocities if editing midi) and up the volume on the sound system - even if hammers are softer you can still get clippy trebles at 127 (not much classical music calls for it all the way through - like some of my own modern music of the past eek) but still have a much calmer floor - just added in case it's not something tried yet or with much time given to it.

Last edited by Qexl (30-12-2018 08:30)
Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

Adust it how you want it.
Open the [Parameter Freeze] (Icon Box with tick).
Check [Main Volume] under [Miscellaneous].
This will be applied to all presets until you uncheck it.

Re: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

Thank you Don Smith, this works. Before I posted my question I tried this procedure and it did not work. But I must have done it wrong, because now it works.
Thank you Qexl, good info.

I think a LOVELY enhancement feature would be a 2nd layer of note volume control, that I could set and save and apply to all instruments, that would not destroy the instruments original note volumes, but would roll off the top octaves volume like I need.  In recording in a DAW this is feasible and common, you can use two EQ's in a row, or two compressors in a row, on the same channel, where each one has a different purpose...

I have a feeling very few people are asking for this feature though. So I will work it out somehow.

Thanks again !!!!!

P.S. I already play with a really soft touch when I want to, that is how I can easily notice that the instrument is usually NOT responding with a soft enough sound in the top two octaves, unless I correctively reduce the note volumes up there.

Pianoteq Standard 6.3.0, iMac mid 2017, High Sierra, Roland RD-300GX
Have all the Pianoteq sounds/instruments.

Re: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

@wadecottingham - Look up the software VelPro, of which I was recently made aware by the Modartt crew.  If does velocity curves external to Pianoteq, and can do them on a per-note basis.  Very useful!

https://springbeats.com/velpro/

- David

Re: Can I freeze NOTE EDIT for indiv note volumes ? (Pianoteq Standard)

dklein,

David, are you actually using VelPro?
I bought it, tried it, then un-installed it.
I communicated with the developer Adrien, and he was very nice.
If you like VelPro it can help I guess, it did not quite work for me.

Wade

Last edited by wadecottingham (31-12-2018 20:28)
Pianoteq Standard 6.3.0, iMac mid 2017, High Sierra, Roland RD-300GX
Have all the Pianoteq sounds/instruments.