Topic: Resonance Piano

The idea behind this product (http://resonancepiano.com/index-en.php) looks interesting: a piano coda to be attached to a digital piano that doesn't use speakers, but transducers applied directly to the harmonic woods.

Looking for more info, I've found a review (but only in Italian language): https://www.dday.it/redazione/28890/res...recensione

Anyway it seems too expensive, at least compared to a real grand piano.

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Interesting..I have just the soundboard in my Baby Grand and have been experimenting with small speakers on it and around it ... not working so well yet..

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Why not trying a resonance speaker applied to your soundboard?

I mean something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Resonance-Speake...on+speaker

It could lead to a great DIY solution.

Pianoteq Standard@Studiologic SL88 Grand
Steinway Model D | K2 grand piano | Ant. Petrof 275 | Steingraeber E-272 | Hohner Collection | Electric pianos | C. Bechstein DG | U4 upright piano | YC5 rock

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Wow I'm very excited because someone is trying to do what many user of this forum (and pianowlorld's) have been asking for.
I wonder about prices...

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marcos daniel wrote:

I wonder about prices...

The article says 12800€+VAT

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Hi everybody. I am in charge of Resonance Piano from Italy. We are introducing it next tuesday 26 th in a shop in Italy. Should you need any specs or curiosità about this magnificent new Product I am at your full disposal. Lamberto.calderoni@crescendosrl.it grazie ☺️

effebal wrote:

The idea behind this product (http://resonancepiano.com/index-en.php) looks interesting: a piano coda to be attached to a digital piano that doesn't use speakers, but transducers applied directly to the harmonic woods.

Looking for more info, I've found a review (but only in Italian language): https://www.dday.it/redazione/28890/res...recensione

Anyway it seems too expensive, at least compared to a real grand piano.

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Pianoteq (and any other piano library I can think of) has patches designed to give you the sound of a piano tonal balance from differing microphone positions, broadly taking into account typical loudspeakers.
Therefore any product designed to replicate sound radiating from the piano box/frame, with sound dispersion controlled by a piano lid is adding an additional layer of extra coloration and radically different dispersion. Therefore I suggest the optimal way to use such a product would likely be with entirely unique patches designed to take account of this arrangement.

Pianoteq is probably better suited than most piano products in this regard as no reverb is baked into the sound is it can be with typical piano sample libraries.
Probably start with the prelude patches as they replicate the seated musician position, as opposed to the recorded audience positions.

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Lamberto wrote:

Hi everybody. I am in charge of Resonance Piano from Italy. We are introducing it next tuesday 26 th in a shop in Italy. Should you need any specs or curiosità about this magnificent new Product I am at your full disposal. Lamberto.calderoni@crescendosrl.it grazie ☺️

effebal wrote:

The idea behind this product (http://resonancepiano.com/index-en.php) looks interesting: a piano coda to be attached to a digital piano that doesn't use speakers, but transducers applied directly to the harmonic woods.

Looking for more info, I've found a review (but only in Italian language): https://www.dday.it/redazione/28890/res...recensione

Anyway it seems too expensive, at least compared to a real grand piano.

Hi Lamberto,
I'm wondering if you could live streaming this introduction presentation on a youtube channel. Moreover, are you thinking to use Pianoteq as piano source?

Pianoteq Standard@Studiologic SL88 Grand
Steinway Model D | K2 grand piano | Ant. Petrof 275 | Steingraeber E-272 | Hohner Collection | Electric pianos | C. Bechstein DG | U4 upright piano | YC5 rock

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When I visited the piano manufacturer here (Brazil) I talked about create a piano controller for the best digital piano softwares (like pianoteq). We talked about use real piano action a a grand piano soundboard with transducers. But they told me it would be expensive, since the soundboard it's the most expensise piece on a grand piano. Tranducers would also have some relevant cost. In the end, piano body frame (even than not as heavy) plus soundboard plus tranducer plus real grand piano action, would be very expensive.

But I would go a step closer, if had resorces. I would try to design a system using some steel ressonator (with transducers) to create the piano harp and trebble sounds.  It would ideal for pianoteq, since Modartt could (in theory) create a pianoteq version with separated chanels, like one for the soundboard, other for the piano harp, other for the piano body, to achieve the mosat advanced digital piano system on Earth.

Last edited by Beto-Music (23-02-2019 21:40)

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Hi Effebal, I'm not so good at these thing, but I'll try.
The piano source is responsability of the user who buys Resonance Piano. This new 'instrument' is rather versatile and can be connected to various sources, from a digital piano to a MP3 file (odd enough?). Of course, the better the quality of the source, the better the result of it amplified by the real red spruce soundboard. This comes form Ciresa Company in Val di Fiemme, they produce soundboard for the finest piano manufacturer in the world like Bechstein, Fazioli, Bluthner, etc.
We tested it of course with Pianoteq thru a stage piano and result is amazing.
Tomorrow the presentation will be done using many sources. Let's see if I can produce a Youtube video worth of your interest.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=136I-gnccpg

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Hi,
iAnd what about Kawai C11. I've seen many comments on the action but really nothing  consistent on the soundboard system. Kawai own publicity is not relevant as the sound is of course record though the line. Is there a CS 11 owner who  would kindly comment on this ?

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Resonance Piano has nothing to do with any of the digital piano in comerce with 'soundboards'.
Resonance Piano is the only 'piano without strings' and you can connect at it any instrument you want. Please note that if technology then finds better actions or better sound samples, you just have to change your own piano but Resonance Piano will remain forever. because wood does not get any technology upgrade! But the sound you get from has no rivals from any audio system.

o_bern wrote:

Hi,
iAnd what about Kawai C11. I've seen many comments on the action but really nothing  consistent on the soundboard system. Kawai own publicity is not relevant as the sound is of course record though the line. Is there a CS 11 owner who  would kindly comment on this ?

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https://www.instagram.com/tv/BraGP7sC6Bx/?hl=it

effebal wrote:
Lamberto wrote:

Hi everybody. I am in charge of Resonance Piano from Italy. We are introducing it next tuesday 26 th in a shop in Italy. Should you need any specs or curiosità about this magnificent new Product I am at your full disposal. Lamberto.calderoni@crescendosrl.it grazie ☺️

effebal wrote:

The idea behind this product (http://resonancepiano.com/index-en.php) looks interesting: a piano coda to be attached to a digital piano that doesn't use speakers, but transducers applied directly to the harmonic woods.

Looking for more info, I've found a review (but only in Italian language): https://www.dday.it/redazione/28890/res...recensione

Anyway it seems too expensive, at least compared to a real grand piano.

Hi Lamberto,
I'm wondering if you could live streaming this introduction presentation on a youtube channel. Moreover, are you thinking to use Pianoteq as piano source?

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Hi Lamberto ... very nice, the Resonance Piano.  My question ... where does the sound come from if the lid is down.  Many teachers in institutions have a small grand in their studio/office ... you know with doilies, busts of Brahms, Beethoven, and trophies,  books etc. sitting on top!

Lanny

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Hi thank you. It is Just Like any ordinary acoustic Piano. As the Sound comes from the soundboard, when the lid is down you Just have a lower volume. P. S. There are actually two soundboards and transducers in between. Total area equals a concerto grand soundboard!

LTECpiano wrote:

Hi Lamberto ... very nice, the Resonance Piano.  My question ... where does the sound come from if the lid is down.  Many teachers in institutions have a small grand in their studio/office ... you know with doilies, busts of Brahms, Beethoven, and trophies,  books etc. sitting on top!

Lanny

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Lamberto wrote:

There are actually two soundboards and transducers in between.

Hi Lamberto,

This is great work that you and Ciresa are doing and I heartily wish you the best of success!  The "piano of the future" is surely becoming a reality. 

I'm quite fascinated by all this and, as an enthusiast, have a couple of questions for you: how many transducers do you use between the two soundboards?  what wattage are they and what sort of an amp setup is driving them?  are they configured equally between the two soundboards in the manner of an acoustic instrument's bridges or have you guys opted for some other configuration?

grazie mille e ciao,
dj

Matthieu 7:6

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Hi Davey J.,

I follow the commercial distribution in Italy and Ciresa Srl (Fabio Ognibeni, the CEO and owner, is also the inventor) owns the Resonance Piano project, registered mark and research and development.

I can not share the technical details of the solutions found by Ciresa to make this product. What I can say is that the transducers are many and of different types according to different frequency ranges. Their positioning on the soundboard is the result of measurement of the most efficient "nodal points" resulting from the laboratory acoustic mapping: in this way a great acoustic efficiency is achieved using few watts, but above all the spatiality of the sound and the location of the bass areas, medium, medium high and trebles on the different parts of the soundboard is perfect as in a traditional acoustic piano. The emission power is very similar to that of a grand concert tail. The lower soundboard privileges and reinforces the low notes. The control (audio-boards electronic) designed for this product by Ciresa srl with external consultants is only one, configured to manage the entire sound spectrum in "nine sections". The acoustic project, which goes hand in hand with the phisical project of the soundboard and the ribs, was the most complex part of the research and it has been completed succesfully thanks to the construction skills of Ciresa srl.
Of course for you to confirm these characteristics that I tried poorly to describe in words it would be necessary to try Resonance Piano in person with your own ears. We welcome you in Italy's Val di Fiemme!

Thanks a lot and hello,
Lamberto

_DJ_ wrote:
Lamberto wrote:

There are actually two soundboards and transducers in between.

Hi Lamberto,

This is great work that you and Ciresa are doing and I heartily wish you the best of success!  The "piano of the future" is surely becoming a reality. 

I'm quite fascinated by all this and, as an enthusiast, have a couple of questions for you: how many transducers do you use between the two soundboards?  what wattage are they and what sort of an amp setup is driving them?  are they configured equally between the two soundboards in the manner of an acoustic instrument's bridges or have you guys opted for some other configuration?

grazie mille e ciao,
dj