Unrealistic pianoteq chords

Well, pianoteq is a software synthesizer, so it naturaly sounds synthec. You can hear that at all physical modelling synthesizers: Yamaha VL, Tassman, even the Roland V-Piano or Physis Piano - they are all very good, but they have a very typical but difficult to define synthetic edge. And they are (or where) not very successful.

But I really think, pianoteq sounds like a very good sythesizer, and it becomes better with every update. Of cause it does not sound like a sampler. When pianoteq would combine the sound of a very good sample with the advantages of physical modelling, two thinks would happen: The PT-company would get very rich and all the other piano plug-ins would disappear from the marked in a day. The reality is, that most studio keyboarders still prefare sampling and we all know, why.

Your examples are very interesting. The samples have a kind of 3D sound, which is done by stereorecording and a bit of natural room. Certainly, a piano sounds extremly 3D, a good sample can reproduce a very natural sounding, but static picture of that. Pianoteq always sounds a bit mono, but maybe you can add a bit of 3D with the new micplacementfeatures. And you can hear at your samples all the natural irregularities which can't exactly be reproduced by a synthesizer. It's only a speculation, but I would say, that pianoteq can maybe reproduce 10% of the complexity of the real physical pianoworld. I work in the studio with a grand piano, and I would say, this is a very optimistic guess. But samples can't do more, they just simulate that!

I think he meant "rich", not "reach".

I have no acoustic grand, but Steve Kk made a great comparison. Listen for example, at 0:41-0:54, 1:18-1:34. It's more noticeble in chords, especially in lower range: acoustic grand produce more full and rich sound, more brilliant (but not in such way as after increasing hammer hardness). Pianoteq, in contrast produce more... hmm... "flat" sound. It's like "limited" by something. It's not depend on pianoteq's model.

Philippe, yes, if I make piano not so perfect (random detuning, radnom volume, condition), then it makes chords not so flat, but it's still mainly sounds "pianotequish".

Maybe randomizing anther parameters (hammer hardness, unison width, etc.) stoves the problem, but I haven't Pro version to check it.

It's all my IMHO. Maybe I have wrong ear. Sorry for that.

I have the exact same "issue" and I'm kind of glad that it's not just me!

So after all these years, it is still the same and that leads me to believe that it's just the way it is as far as modeling goes. Right?

By the way, I got the Stage version so I can't change those parameters mentioned in other replies.

Ross wrote than seven years ago!

Hi everyone,

Now I have made the changes Philippe suggests, on my demo song with K2, as I did a week ago. I think I got more warmth and softness in the music, regardless of which chords I use.
For those who are new to the forum, we must remember that K2   "is not based on any specific model but created from scratch by the Modartt virtual piano factory, combining the best elements of several source pianos".

As a new piano not modelled from a Grand piano, I think it has brilliance and clarity and I can use it as an all-round instrument. Have now tested rag time, Bach and my own small compositions and got used to this sound. An excellent instrument to complement the other Pianoteq sounds. Using always headphones, neighbors you know.

Well, that’s what I think about it. Have been on board since 2013 and rediscovered the piano! Nice

Best wishes

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?file=K2%20.mp3

Yes, I have known about PianoVerb for some time but never got around to trying it. It might just be that special 'something' I'm looking for. Just discovered that the basic version is free, so now I have no excuse!

Great, thanks for that! First impressions of PianoVerb, interesting and very encouraging. With careful adjustment I think it will be quite a nice enhancement. I have a feeling it will probably work best on 'close' piano sounds, but those are the ones I feel most need some extra resonance anyway. Quite happy to work with the freebie for now, may be tempted to go for the full version eventually.