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Topic: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Hello, everyone! Not long ago one forum-user wrote me on e-mail. His problem: he don't know English at all and has problems with Google translations, but has questions about Pianoteq and audio-equipment. As this forum was created to provide information and to solve users problems, and there may be more users who has the same problem, I decided to create this help-topic for non-English speakers, where they can ask "burning" questions in native languages. It would be great, if "emergency support" for different languages would be here. Let Pianoteq community support be more multicultural!
But attention: this topic - for those, who need some urgent help, but don't speak English at all and don't consider Google-translator as a helper. Please, remember that local discussions in native languages would be incomprehensible for most users.
I (and few other users) can help russian-speakers, and other users can help in another languages.
What do you think, guys?
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Note for russian-speakers:
Эта тема создана специально для тех, кто имеет сложности с английским языком. Можете задавать вопросы по Пианотеку или просить помощи по контактам с другими пользователями, администрацией. Если Вы владеете английским на достаточном уровне (или можете воспользоваться Переводчиком Гугла), настоятельная просьба: задавайте вопросы лучше в темы на английском, т.к. обсуждения на русском будут непонятны большинству здешних пользователей.

Last edited by Kridlatec (13-12-2014 14:15)
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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

I'm from Russia too and my English is awful, but it's not really a big problem. Google Translate can help translate unknown words. IMHO, separate topic for russian speakers isn't a good idea. Firstly, if you ask question in english then more people can understand it and answer it. Secondly, if someone have the same question it's easy to find it in English (the forum is not only for talking, it's also a good question-answer database). Today english is really international language, it's not so smart to ignore the fact.

And yes, internet is not need for literature-quality language. Even if you use English with a lot of mistakes, most of people can understand you. And you can understand most people, even if you just use a computer translator like Google's one.

Короче, для вас и для форума лучше английский на уровне машинного перевода, чем хороший русский.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

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I'm from Russia too and my English is awful, but it's not really a big problem. Google Translate can help translate unknown words. IMHO, separate topic for russian speakers isn't a good idea. Firstly, if you ask question in english then more people can understand it and answer it. Secondly, if someone have the same question it's easy to find it in English (the forum is not only for talking, it's also a good question-answer database). Today english is really international language, it's not so smart to ignore the fact.

And yes, internet is not need for literature-quality language. Even if you use English with a lot of mistakes, most of people can understand you. And you can understand most people, even if you just use a computer translator like Google's one.

Hello, Ross! Thank you! I appreciate your opinion! That is why I should mention: "Attention: this topic - for those, who need some urgent help, but don't speak English and don't consider Google-translator as a helper. Please, remember that local discussions in native languages would be incomprehensible for most users."

I understand you, and don't want Pianoteq Forum to become a Babylon Tower too But I guess, there are always users who has some burning problems and don't know English at all. It's just for support in "burning" situations, not for discussions between native-speakers

P.S. I changed this topic to make it multilingual

Last edited by Kridlatec (13-12-2014 14:08)
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KridlatecToday wrote:

this topic - for those, who need some urgent help, but don't speak English at all and don't consider Google-translator as a helper.

Those, who was able to register to this forum definitely able to use Google Translator. Moreover, are there people who is not able to use Google Translator? Maybe those who hasn't fingers, eyes or computer (but why they need pianoteq)?..

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Part of the problem is that Pianoteq only offers the manual in English and French. If they are serious about gaining business and helping people, they'll hire some good translators in order to offer it in more languages.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Well I am qualified EFL teacher, but not fluent in any languages- I know a tiny bit of German ( but aim to learn it quite well), French and Spanish. If I can help anyone in any way I will.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Enjoy globalisation, learn English. Watch more movies, listen to the songs, check the lyrics, read the magazines, participate in the forums and you'll naturally improve.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

То есть в этом топике можно вести беседы на русском и никто нас не казнит?

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Вы можете писать на любом языке. Но если вы пишете на английском, вы будете получать больше ответов. Вот и все.

No one should be obligated to write in English, and not everyone wants to learn it. It's just if you don't write in English, you won't get much help. That said, I feel like the best solution to this sort of thing is the following:

1. Write in the language you feel comfortable writing in/want to write in.
2. Translate it into English using Google so that most people can get the gist. Don't worry if the translation seems off.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Например/for example:

Вы можете писать на любом языке. Но если вы пишете на английском, вы будете получать больше ответов. Вот и все.

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You can write in any language. But if you write in English, you will get more answers. That's all.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

matthew wrote:

Например/for example:

Вы можете писать на любом языке. Но если вы пишете на английском, вы будете получать больше ответов. Вот и все.

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You can write in any language. But if you write in English, you will get more answers. That's all.

I'm shocked how well the translate.google.com works.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Коллеги, начну с некоторых позиций, которые до сих пор не могу для себя прояснить. Являюсь счастливым обладателем фатаровской клавиатуры. А вот с педалькой какая-то проблема. Какую взять? Естественно с полунажатием. А вообще, они это самое полунажатие размазывают градиентом или имеют просто промежуточное значение (к примеру 0-64-127)?
Второе, кто имел удовольствие ставить PT на линукс? Хочу взять себе неттоп и заточить его ТОЛЬКО под ПТ. А вот с аппаратной частью (мощьностью процессора) не могу определиться.  Есть у кого-то какие-то соображения? Задача взять избыточно (на будущее)

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Ребята, серьезно, мой очень большой совет (о котором меня никто не просил). Не сужайте вселенную до самих себя, лучше воспользуйтесь возможностью расшириться. Напишите по-английски, напишите неправильно, с ошибками, народ тут цивилизованный, вас прекрасно поймут, никто смеяться не будет. Поначалу напряжно будет писать/читать, но постепенно, естественным образом вы выучите язык, как бы не уча его специально. Это самый лучший способ - не учить, а сразу пользоваться.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Ну, я думаю, от того, что кто-то мыслит иначе, вселенная не станет хуже?
В конечном счёте, каждый сам выбирает свой путь.

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Re: Language-emergency ("Google tr. can't help me"))

Kupuyc wrote:

Ну, я думаю, от того, что кто-то мыслит иначе, вселенная не станет хуже?
В конечном счёте, каждый сам выбирает свой путь.

Добрый день, Кирилл! Пользователи все же активно выступают за общение на английском. И это понятно, все-таки обсуждения на русском не понятны пользователям форума, да и Вам смогут помочь всего несколько человек.
Воспользуйтесь Google Translate, тут выше показали, что он очень хорошо переводит с русского на английский и наоборот. Пишите более простыми предложениями и не используйте редких слов и тогда перевод точно будет понятен всем, кто здесь обитает. Создайте тему (назовите, например, Linux nettop and pedal choice) или напишите в одну из старых.

Вот, попробовал перевести Ваш пост через GT (только заменил педалька на педаль, фатаровской на фатар и ПТ на Pianoteq):

Colleagues, I'll start with some of the positions that still can not clarify for themselves. I am the proud owner of the keyboard fatar. But the pedal is a problem. What to take? Naturally with halfway. In general, they most Half smear gradient or are simply an intermediate value (for example 0-64-127)?
The second, who had the pleasure to put PT on Linux? I want to take a nettop and only use it for Pianoteq. But with the hardware (processor firepower) can not decide. Have someone any ideas? Task to take redundancy (for the future)

Понятный перевод вполне. Если будут сложности, пишите сюда) А если все же хочется полноценного общения по Пианотеку, то попробуйте написать на ixbt в раздел проф.аудио, там, по моим наблюдениям, тоже немало пользователей программы

С наилучшими пожеланиями!

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