Pianoteq 5 (Page 1 of 4)

More gradations for Hammer Hardness, hopefully. 3 not enough! 5 better. If space for sliders is considered a problem, well, easy to workaround.

ADDED: for one approach, sliders aren't needed to get the same result; even if they have the appeal of immediacy of use, a single number entry box does the same job, while which (previously) slider is being addressed can be selected by radiobutton - pp, p, mf, f, ff. And if a slider's immediacy of use is too appealing to let go, make the setup be one slider and 5 radiobuttons.

Pianoteq is very good right now.  Acoustic pianos however have continuous levels of force, not 3.

Then for gosh sakes, keep quiet. Mum's the word!!!

;-)

I hope it will at least loose its typical "sound signature".

Hello Custral,

A decent piano player has approximately 20 gradations of volume on a decent piano.  A world-class concert performer, performing on a concert-prepared instrument, has approximately twice as many gradations (possibly more) of volume and touch.

Now, I imagine one asking, since Pianoteq has 127 non-zero note-on velocities whether is it possible to have 127 gradations of volume in Pianoteq.  I suppose the answer is that it is possible for this to be true, but I know of no person of any time period who was able to reproduce 120+ gradations in touch.

In addition, the referenced Pletnev-Scarlatti recording has been post processed by the recording engineer and mastering engineer.  What this means is that the German Steinway that Pletnev used ... exhibited a live sound that was since compressed.  It happens in commercial piano recordings that the piano gets "darker" and/or "brighter" withOUT a corresponding proportional decrease and/or increase in volume. 

Cheers,

Joe

Fun to speculate on V5.
Given that V4 was very "D centric" I wonder if V5 might have some other highly regarded model as a base for thirty or so variants ?

I have commented previously on the 4th generation piano claim being somewhat in contrast to imitating 19th and 20th century instruments - so obviously I would LIKE to see (play) something from THIS century (or late last century).  Apart from the electronic stage pianos of the 60s, 70s, 80s.

Not where the piano has BEEN a long time ago, more where it is GOING and has been RECENTLY.
The Ravenscroft is still very young (10 years ?) Fazioli relatively young (30 or 35 ?) Stuart (15 or so years ?)
Steingraeber  (long established, but innovative)  Hurstwood Farm (young, also innovative).

I think these will be around long enough to be worth investing model development time in.
{though I wouldn't expect ALL of them in a low cost V4 -> V5 upgrade }

Just looked back at the V4 release date - Apr 2012.
V3 Feb 2009, Gee, over 3 years.
I don't know what that means in competitive marketing terms, other than unusually LARGE gaps between versions might cause concern.   
I think anything much over 2 years could be considered Long, but the 3 year + precedent is there so we may have to wait a while yet. 

A question worth considering is how much the innovations affect the actual sound vs affecting other (very desirable) attributes in the physical pianos, such as tuning stability, evenness between keys, ease of tuning, reliability of parts, and for want of a better term "feel" of the keys etc.
As I understand it bridge agraffes reduce the horizontal component of string vibration and thereby increase efficiency - hardy an issue in an electronic piano, just turn up the volume and/or stretch out the envelope

The chance for Stuarts seems narrow indeed, since the factory has fallen on hard times. No orders.

Very likely a result of Steinway's response to the instrument, which in Australia took the form of a price reduction below that of Stuarts'. Seriousness of the intent can be guaged by the amounts, a sacrifice of half the market rates.

Going nowhere, pity.

Wow, I can't help thinking what I would do next in Wayne Stuart's position.
Price war ?  Probably not, that becomes a race to the bottom.
SOMEHOW capitalize on it ?   It IS high praise indeed.
Could he advertize ON this move ?

In the USA he might be able to allege "Dumping", i.e. under selling in order to starve him out.
No idea if Australia has similar laws against that practice.

In one of the future versions, I would like to see the ability to print/export all the adjustable parameters with the associated value.   So for any preset or FXP file, I could quickly see what all the adjustments are - for instance, in one place I could see all the tuning, voicing, design adjustments, even mic locations. 

This feature would make tweaking and experimenting so much easier and efficient.  Now, when I load an FXP file, I have to go through screen by screen and write out the values.

I'd like to see an improvement in the electric pianos. While they're still nice to play, they seem to be lagging behind the acoustics.

Hey hey, they got the "bull by the horn"

-Reworked versions of Bluthner, D4, U4 upright, K2, YC5 ...  Soundboard and string algorithm for moddeling were improved.

-Improved microfones position.

New models:

Bosendorfer (1829)

Pleyel (1835)  -Not the 1926 version

Frenzel (1841)

S. Erard (1849)  -Not the other already available from 1922.

C. Bechstein (1899)  - Not the other alveady available from 1896

J.B. Streicher (1852)

J.Dohnal (1795)

J.Broadwood (1796)

Pianoteq 5.
5 it's a luck number.

Just need to change the MIDI music that come as demo in the midi player.
;-)

Any date ???

Honestly I expected this to be finished according to previous trends, which was around 2016, but this is a great surprise!

This is great news.  I almost hit the buy now to upgrade to V4 last night.  I am going to wait for V5 now unless they can guarentee me a grace period coverage.

I have been using Vienna Imperial for years now instead of PTQ but I can tell you, last night I downloaded the V4 demo (I still have V3) and it was an enormous quality increase.  The D4 is far superior to the old C3 etc.

I think V5 will bring me home here again.  Nothing plays like Pianoteq can for a real pianist.

Maestro2be

You're guaranteed free upgrades for 1 year after purchase.

Ups, my alter ego hacked my account and posted the video . I will delete my first lines.

I hope that as well and that is one reason Galaxy Vintage D is still my favourite. It is like an Apple product as it has character. Either you like it or you don't because you cannot tweak everything. I just experienced that the presets in Pianoteq haven't reflected the whole potential of the software so far but I could tweak much to my liking.

Before some fanatic crazy fórum member suggest this, I will do myself !!!

What about a option for vintage microfones response and vintage recording device tapes/discs emulation:

I wonder if there are still samples being used for noises? If so there is a high chance of quick improvement here since sampling is a mature technology.

Seems as if things might be easier than I expected then. I'm so excited.

which date to the sale?

Regards

There MIGHT BE conversation about them in their respective fora and "owners groups";
Also, I think they are in different segments of the market,
i.e. for people buying the "Complete with Keyboard, speakers and cabinet" products who are looking for something other than "digital pianos".

I see Pianoteq as an alternative to "computer based sample players".

Superiority/inferiority of these three products may not be all that relevant if they are in different market spaces, i.e. not competing directly with each other - "head to head".

Pianoteq 5, Pianoteq 5, Pianoteq 5 etc.

When ?

V5 will have many new vintage pianos from Kremsegg Musem Collection:

Bosendorfer (1829)
Pleyel (1835) 
Frenzel (1841)
S. Erard (1849) 
C. Bechstein (1899) 
J.B. Streicher (1852)
J.Dohnal (1795)
J.Broadwood (1796)

I found a page Kremsegg Museum:

http://www.oberoesterreich.at/en/activi...astle.html

http://www.schloss-kremsegg.at/

Bosendorfer 1829 :