Topic: Thank you for the Clavichord

Thanks very much ModArtt! It sounds great!

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pianissimo wrote:

Thanks very much ModArtt! It sounds great!

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And to think I was just listening (randomly) to Clavichord music last night and wishing I had access to one! How eerily prescient of you, Pianoteq!

If your keyboard features aftertouch, it really makes the Clavichord come alive.

Last edited by IpseDixit (12-12-2012 21:12)

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The Clavichord is amazing! Ive played baroque music all evening with it and Im very satisfied! Thanks moddart and merry christmas to you !

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Its especially nice when you tweak it a bit so that it sounds less like a Neupert.

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Lovely implementation of aftertouch. It works beautifully with poly aftertouch and offers some intelligent choices of how to use channel aftertouch. Well done!

Last edited by doug (13-12-2012 04:14)

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+1 It sounds awesome, thanks a lot.

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I agree that the Neupert sounds great, and I'll probably use it a lot in my work.
However, I want to ask the members here if the pianoforte should sound as it does when one plays a short, dotted note on one of the lowest keys? It has a very inharmonious release, quite apparent, so that one makes sure to play longer bass notes in order to avoid them. Is this a characteristics of the real Neupert as well?
Also, I think the piano sounds best if you keep to the real range of the instruments; the really high notes in the extended version don't sound very well.
But all in all, a very useful and fun instrument! I use it a lot already.

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Wow, well done. At least in respect to my own, this one has the potential to become the most valuable “free instrument”, even for more recent music styles. It's a very appealing model that raises the desire to get in touch with real thing. Unfortunately I don't have a keyboard with aftertouch around. So just to be sure, if I had one, would I be able do this in a similar manner?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCGNwDokT0
(video, demonstrates bending / Bebung / vibrato on a Sabathil & Son )

Are variable note off velocities also that important?

Thanks and regards, hk

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The Neupert can be also easily turned into an acoustic guitar.

Here is an example in the FXP Corner:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1628

Listen to the Piazzola guitar duo demo.
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...Vendra.mp3


(By the way, the Remove button doesn't work in the FXP corner. I uploaded a redundant copy of my fxp by error and can't remove it...)

Last edited by Gilles (13-12-2012 18:19)

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Very nice instrument add-on.  It would be nice for the polyphonic after pressure to implement the pitch/vibrato effect.

Lanny

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Strange...

The Neupert add-on worked, it's very  beautiful, very natural sounding even when extanded range option to 88 keys  (impresive...)

... but when I tried to call this guitar FXP, the following  message appears:



"The Neupert-Guitar could not be loaded because it depends on a unavailable instrument: Clavichord (1941) [RC1].
You can download additional instruments (add-ons) from our support page."


Gilles wrote:

The Neupert can be also easily turned into an acoustic guitar.

Here is an example in the FXP Corner:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/bb2757d3f...fd7671fe0e

Listen to the Piazzola guitar duo demo.
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...Vendra.mp3


(By the way, the Remove button doesn't work in the FXP corner. I uploaded a redundant copy of my fxp by error and can't remove it...)

Last edited by Beto-Music (13-12-2012 17:39)

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Beto-Music wrote:

Strange...

The Neupert add-on worked, it's very  beautiful, very natural sounding even when extanded range option to 88 keys  (impresive...)

... but when I tried to call this guitar FXP, the following  message appears:



"The Neupert-Guitar could not be loaded because it depends on a unavailable instrument: Clavichord (1941) [RC1].
You can download additional instruments (add-ons) from our support page."


Gilles wrote:

The Neupert can be also easily turned into an acoustic guitar.

Here is an example in the FXP Corner:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/bb2757d3f...fd7671fe0e

Listen to the Piazzola guitar duo demo.
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...Vendra.mp3


(By the way, the Remove button doesn't work in the FXP corner. I uploaded a redundant copy of my fxp by error and can't remove it...)

Sorry Beto-Music, it seems I made an error in porting a previous fxp. Try the other copy, it should work:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1628

Since I can't remove anything in the FXP corner, I can't clean up the mess I made, sorry!
(I changed the link in the original post)

Last edited by Gilles (13-12-2012 20:47)

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It worked fine now.

Thanks.

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lindmusik wrote:

I agree that the Neupert sounds great, and I'll probably use it a lot in my work.
However, I want to ask the members here if the pianoforte should sound as it does when one plays a short, dotted note on one of the lowest keys? It has a very inharmonious release, quite apparent, so that one makes sure to play longer bass notes in order to avoid them. Is this a characteristics of the real Neupert as well?

It is characteristic of clavichords: when the tangent hits the string, this one is divided in two parts, one which vibrates while the other part is damped by a felt strip (on the left side of the image you can see in the presets manager). When the key is released, the vibrating part becomes suddenly longer, involving lower overtones, which are quickly damped by the same felt. This "change of length" produces the typical sound you are mentioning. The same occurs BTW on the clavinet.

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Gilles wrote:

(By the way, the Remove button doesn't work in the FXP corner. I uploaded a redundant copy of my fxp by error and can't remove it...)

This is fixed. I removed the FXP for you.

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gjoly wrote:
Gilles wrote:

(By the way, the Remove button doesn't work in the FXP corner. I uploaded a redundant copy of my fxp by error and can't remove it...)

This is fixed. I removed the FXP for you.

Thanks! I think I cleaned up everything now.

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I have one question: was the original instrument fretted or unfretted?  Thank you for the Clavichord, and Merry Christmas!

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Coldsalmon wrote:

I have one question: was the original instrument fretted or unfretted?  Thank you for the Clavichord, and Merry Christmas!

It was unfretted, one string per key. Using the same soundboard model, we added a preset that has two strings for each key (each tangent).

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Thank you so very much Modartt for this wonderful instrument,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

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Sounds fantastic!

And I love the "Le Clan Des Clavichordes" demo.  It reminds me a bit of the theme from the old "The Persauders" TV show, which was written by John Barry.  (which I think is fantastic also)

Greg.

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I just received "The Graded Scarlatti" and "The Graded Rameau" in the mail today -- perfect timing!  I am now totally in love with the clavichord sound for baroque keyboard music.  I can't wait for the Couperin I'm getting for christmas!  Thanks again!

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From pianoteq site:

"The clavichord has been referred to as the most intimate of keyboard instruments, the player being able to control attack, duration, volume, and even provide certain subtle effects of vibrato known as Bebung by varying the pressure on the key."

Can a modern hi end aftertouch keyboard controll pressure (holding a key with some variable pressure)???


I have a humble sugestion to Modartt:

What about let a option to enable a progressive pedal to try simulate one or two of these effects?



hkalupa wrote:

Wow, well done. At least in respect to my own, this one has the potential to become the most valuable “free instrument”, even for more recent music styles. It's a very appealing model that raises the desire to get in touch with real thing. Unfortunately I don't have a keyboard with aftertouch around. So just to be sure, if I had one, would I be able do this in a similar manner?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCGNwDokT0
(video, demonstrates bending / Bebung / vibrato on a Sabathil & Son )

Are variable note off velocities also that important?

Thanks and regards, hk

Last edited by Beto-Music (15-12-2012 03:46)

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Thank you, Pianoteq, for the Clavichord, the first addition to the KIViR project in many months.

What I have hoped for for some time, however, has been an expansion and refinement of the existing harpsichords and fortepianos, with regard to providing an emulation of things like lute stops. Early fortepianos had a cloth strip attached to a wooden strip on a lever that could be lowered onto the strings to produce a distinctive muted sound. There was also the "parchment roll" effect that produced a buzzing sound of a roll of paper resting lightly on the strings. I know of no way to get that effect with the existing KIViR models.

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Thank you for this. We finally have the missing link between the cimbalom and the fortepianos. When I read your announcement I was a bit puzzled by your choice of a 41 Neupert, but  proof of the model is in the playing, so I dusted of some baroque books and had a few hours of fun. Very impressed with the sound of the bass, in particular, which makes the lower voices very alive, and really helps you in polyphony. Wonderful to be able to play an instrument that was so commonly played at the time, and is so rare now.

Also, very pleased with the fact that you are keeping KIVIR alive. This, imho, sets Pianoteq apart from all other virtual piano tools, and was at least for me the deciding push to choose for your product.

A merry Christmas to you all!

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LTECpiano wrote:

Very nice instrument add-on.  It would be nice for the polyphonic after pressure to implement the pitch/vibrato effect.

Lanny

Eh? The addon DOES support poly AT! In fact, with v4.2.1., now ANY Pianoteq instrument supports poly AT!

Last edited by EvilDragon (15-12-2012 09:12)
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Wheat Williams wrote:

Thank you, Pianoteq, for the Clavichord, the first addition to the KIViR project in many months.

What I have hoped for for some time, however, has been an expansion and refinement of the existing harpsichords and fortepianos, with regard to providing an emulation of things like lute stops. Early fortepianos had a cloth strip attached to a wooden strip on a lever that could be lowered onto the strings to produce a distinctive muted sound. There was also the "parchment roll" effect that produced a buzzing sound of a roll of paper resting lightly on the strings. I know of no way to get that effect with the existing KIViR models.

Williams, did you test the 'mute' feature in the action panel? Of course nothing to do with the buzzing sound produced by a parchment roll, but it resembles the sound produced by a strip of felt.

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For people who downloaded the Neupert Guitar fxp, I forgot that it refers to a custom convolution IR file (Large Wide Echo Hall+Knock.wav) not included in the fxp to emulate a guitar body. Since I can't upload a wav file in the Other Files section, you can download it here:

https://sites.google.com/site/ptqspecprof/temp

Sorry about that. You can also increase that guitar body effect by turning on the Delay effect on the fxp.

Last edited by Gilles (15-12-2012 16:44)

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What about a christmas performance with Neupert add-on, to publish in pianoteq site?

One using vibrato effects...

That would be quite charmming.

Last edited by Beto-Music (15-12-2012 21:29)