Topic: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

I saw on another thread that some of you were saying that it's a good idea to wait for Pianoteq 4 before buying it. Being a Play user for almost a year, I'm not sure I agree: Pianoteq 3 is already very good, and, given that you get 1 year of free upgrades and that Pianoteq 4 is probably won't take long to come, I don't think it would be a bad idea to buy Pianoteq 3 now: you buy something very good now, and in less than a year you get something great for free.

But is it true that Pianoteq 4 won't take long to come? A few months ago I got the impression that we'd have it somewhere mid-2012, but I haven't seen any official word about this. Does any of you have an idea of when, more or less, is this new version coming?

Thanks!

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

I think it's coming this year definitely

Hard work and guts!

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Something tells me I'm destined to send Modartt more money.. (my 1 year is long expired)

At least it's cheaper than a new piano, which I'm also considering in the next year or two.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

You can buy now, and the update will reach you.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Hello,
My First post here, I am not sure how the versions are numbered ;
I saw the pt4 update policy of E29 for pre Jan 2011 purchases and free for after that, which looks very fair.
So then I tried to buy pt3 on line.
Sweetwater say they no longer carry it and didn't know if or when they would carry it in the future - and Amazon said it is no longer available (words to that effects, though I didn't copy the exact messages).

I don't know how to interpret this;  maybe modartt has stopped selling through them ?, maybe they have sold out V3 and are not going to re-order until V4 is available ?,  maybe something else ???

I will wait a few weeks to see if it comes back into stock, or if V4 appears.

While waiting I will read the forum - ALL of it ? perhaps not  :-D

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Why not buy it from Pianoteq own site ?

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

olepro wrote:

Why not buy it from Pianoteq own site ?

I am in USA.
The US $ is "at some disadvantage" against the Euro.
Discount web order houses, such as B&H, sweetwater and amazon help recover some of the exchange rate disadvantage :-D

At this time that is the most polite way I can find to describe things.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

It's odd that you mention B&H, but you seem to have not checked their site... Are you looking for Pianoteq Standard? Because they have that as an electronic download at 299 USD.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/7...rtual.html

They also have Pianoteq PLAY at 99 USD but it says "Ships in 7-14 days".

If prices are similar, I always go with B&H for anything they sell (mostly camera equipment for me). I've never gotten an electronic download product from them, but it sounds like they send you an activation code that you use to download Pianoteq from the Pianoteq website.

EDIT: If you're looking for PLAY and have a Guitar Center nearby, you might check with them. Here's PLAY on their online store. EDIT#2: Looks like it's an online-only or ship-to-store item, but they say "in stock" at least.

Last edited by JerryKnight (13-03-2012 16:56)

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

JerryKnight wrote:

It's odd that you mention B&H, but you seem to have not checked their site... Are you looking for Pianoteq Standard? Because they have that as an electronic download at 299 USD.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/7...rtual.html

They also have Pianoteq PLAY at 99 USD but it says "Ships in 7-14 days".

If prices are similar, I always go with B&H for anything they sell (mostly camera equipment for me). I've never gotten an electronic download product from them, but it sounds like they send you an activation code that you use to download Pianoteq from the Pianoteq website.

EDIT: If you're looking for PLAY and have a Guitar Center nearby, you might check with them. Here's PLAY on their online store. EDIT#2: Looks like it's an online-only or ship-to-store item, but they say "in stock" at least.

Thanks for the pointers.
I think I may be looking for the PLUS version, but have to pour through more of this forum before deciding.
Too many "knobs and switches" to fiddle with might distract me, the almost endless pursuit of perfection, etc.
There again, having ANY knobs and switches is a distraction, since physical pianos don't have any and a nice C7 is still a nice C7.
I had better stop here.
 
Some stores pop into my head when I "shop", others pop in when I merely "talk about" shopping.
Some days I am in a Bach mood, other days a Chopin mood, etc. :-D

Back to all the other threads/topics...

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

grimborg wrote:

...you buy something very good now, and in less than a year you get something great for free.

I just upgraded from PLAY to Standard for this very reason.  The Sound Recording output sounds so much better than Stereophonic or Binaural.  I just hope they keep Linux support in version 4.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Coldsalmon wrote:

I just hope they keep Linux support in version 4.

They will.

Hard work and guts!

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Coldsalmon wrote:
grimborg wrote:

...you buy something very good now, and in less than a year you get something great for free.

I just upgraded from PLAY to Standard for this very reason.  The Sound Recording output sounds so much better than Stereophonic or Binaural.  I just hope they keep Linux support in version 4.

Ahhh, HUGE confusion here.

(so far) I have gathered the impression that PT is a virtual instrument, perhaps this is wrong.

I have also gathered the impression that VSTi are platform independent, which may also be wrong.

So, what (if any) differences are there between Windows and Linux "versions" ?

Telling me that VSTi are not platform independent is OK too  :-D
i.e. a different ABI - though I thought the standard is cubase ?

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

My (limited) understanding is that VSTi instruments are Windows DLL's, but there are compatibility layers (related to the WINE project maybe?) that allow Linux hosts to use them. Am I correct?

Also, PT is indeed a virtual instrument, but the standalone program (Standard/Pro) gives you decent control over the acoustic properties of the virtual room. Nothing too elaborate - basic reverb and echo; microphone placement, levels, and delays; and lid position, etc.

You could certainly use PT as a plug-in and render your acoustics through the host, but I would bet that in that case, the Pianoteq piano becomes a point sound source. In the standalone interface, the the piano has actual dimensional volume, and mics can be placed inside or underneath the piano. I can't imagine this being possible outside of the standalone.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

JerryKnight wrote:

You could certainly use PT as a plug-in and render your acoustics through the host, but I would bet that in that case, the Pianoteq piano becomes a point sound source. In the standalone interface, the the piano has actual dimensional volume, and mics can be placed inside or underneath the piano. I can't imagine this being possible outside of the standalone.

Hi Jerry,

I beg to differ: a VSTi can have many audio outputs inside a host. Particularly, you can use all PianoTeq's 5 outputs, and run each one through a separate sound processing chain.

--Eran

Last edited by etalmor (16-03-2012 21:05)
M-Audio Profire 610 / Roland Fp-3 / Reaper / PianoTeq!
www.myspace.com/etalmor

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Jerry,

The plug-in version has exactly the same functionality as the stand-alone version with regard to spatialization of the sound. I *always* use Pianoteq as a plug-in, always. (AudioUnit in Logic.)

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Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Piet De Ridder wrote:

Jerry,

The plug-in version has exactly the same functionality as the stand-alone version with regard to spatialization of the sound. I *always* use Pianoteq as a plug-in, always. (AudioUnit in Logic.)

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B.T.W Piet De Ridder, your demos are spectacular both in music in sound.
I wanted to ask you for so long, I hope you don't mind me asking:
- Are you using other virtual instruments in your demos, or is it all acoustic instruments? If if you are using other VSTi's what are they?
- Are the the acoustic instruments played by other musicians, or is it a one man show in which you're able to play everything *well*? ;-)

Kind regards, and forgive my nosing around, just curious 'cause I really love your demos.
-- Eran

M-Audio Profire 610 / Roland Fp-3 / Reaper / PianoTeq!
www.myspace.com/etalmor

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Yes, I know that the host gets the channels from Pianoteq according to what preset you're using, but if you're trying to render fancy spatial acoustics outside of Pianoteq, you're still getting point sources and not a full 3-D piano. I guess you can spatialize the channels, but you're still "hearing" through the microphones positioned inside Pianoteq.

That was my only point - all the "fancy" spatial acoustics relating to the virtual piano (ie. having mics close to the strings or underneath) have to be done within Pianoteq.

Re: "A good idea to wait" for Pianoteq 4?

Eran,

Thanks. To answer your question: there are no ‘real’ acoustic instruments in any of my pieces, It’s all virtual make-believe, generated inside my computer, using various sample libraries and modeled instruments. I’d be more than happy to give you a list of all the stuff I use, but as this varies widely from piece to piece, it would be good if you could let me know which demo(s) in particular you’d like some info about. And maybe it’s best to do this outside of this thread as well, to avoid too much off-topic clutter. My email address is at the bottom of Pianoteq’s demo pages.

Thanks again!

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Last edited by Piet De Ridder (16-03-2012 22:28)