New K1 piano! (Page 1 of 2)

The best one yet, dare I say. I didn't quite like it at first, but that is until THIS happened:

EvilDragon - Nonsense Improv

Then I noticed the dynamics and depth and the sheer attack (n.b. Queen reference ) this piano has!

It's a beast!

Great, crashing fun listening to your Nonsense Improv, Evil Dragon. Brings out what the K1 can do.

And it keeps getting better!
Well done Modartt!

At first when I saw the announcement, upgraded and started playing I was surprised the "Demo" screen did not come up.  Then I realized that this was an update!  What an update!!

Great job and it keeps on getting better.
What an amazing team and an amazing instrument.

Thanks for the update.  Good to see another piano model and one that is included with the base software instead of it being another addon.

I've only played with it for a short while but with some of the default settings it doesn't quite go well with the stuff I'm trying to play.  Just not getting along with some of the notes towards the middle.  It could be that I'm quite used to the M3 already though.  I'll certainly keep messing around though.

I use to say that the slow music are the best to test many aspects of a piano.

K1 is a step foward, great gift.  But I found a small problem in G3.  I'm sure it's very easy to fix.

Please play the midi using K1 Solo Recording and velocity curves in neutral adjust.

And tell me if you agree that there is a little problem in G3.

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...n%20G3.mid

Note that I tried the same begining transposing octaves up and dow, and was excellent, just the octave of G3 had this little few problem.

The trebble it's very good in this model. I don't understand why some people complained about the trebble.

Little problem in this case: A problem that is easy to fix and it's not always present, but just in some ocasions (specific music sequence).

Didn't you noticed the notes sounding excessively dissonant in the octave of G3 for the begining of this music?

For me the excess of dissonance, in this particular notes combination, it's a problem, as it make the start of the music anoying.

Please folks, don't tell me that I'm the only crazy who notice that .

Maybe only people from my planet notice that...

Háaa háa háaa...

Sometimes I feel like a alien in this forum.

i like the k1 piano in the mid and upper registers, especially the upper registers.
however, there is something weird about the bass when played loudly.  i noticed it when listening to the gershwin demo recording.
i like the bass better on the c3 piano.  but something in the mid range i don't like on the c3 piano.

...whatever.  pianoteq is great.  i was already more than happy with the version i had.  now i have an upgrade!

Beto-Music,

I really don't hear any problem with that G. (I think you mean the G below middle C? G2 in PianoTeq.)

But maybe the tuning is different from what you're accustomed to--too much or too little stretch? Have you tried adjusting the stretch or going into the Detune note edit pane and changing just that note? Or as the Dragon sez, it could be the unisons or a combination of the unisons and the tuning. Could it be that the high Gb is the problem?

Beto -I don't think you mentioned how you were monitoring Pianoteq.  Have you tried listening through headphones, other speakers, burned to CD and listened in your car, etc. ?  Be good to totally rule out your speakers and principle room.  Just a thought if you hadn't already tried it.

I think I hear it exactly same way: K1 is MAJOR improvement in mid to high registers. To my ears it gives more presence, more clarity (with K1 there's no need to mess with EQ), more "woodness". Unfortunately low mids and bass are more problematic and especially when played louder (to my ears this unwanted character is there in C3 and M3 too but with K1 it has increased a little bit).

I love that K1 bass notes. One word - THUNDER! 

There is one thing I can say about the range right below middle C that is good though.  It doesn't tend to have a sort of electric piano type sound which can plague some of the other presets.  So, I guess in some ways this is a fairly big step forward.

I did a mistake when tested K1 for the very first time.
After installed I started and choose the same velocity curves that I was used to many pianoteq models.

K1 seems to have a different velocity curve sensibility, but I didn't immediately noticed, and imagined that was just a volume adjust to make.   
As result I got strikes like F or so to, for what would be MP and MF, and the sound for stronger strikes get more metalic as we know, leading me to judge the whole bass a bit unfairly

With aproprietade velocity curves it sounded better.
K1 bass fits much better to soft music, low velocities.   The trebble fits okay in almost everything.

Who had a similar experience, about forget to find a proper velocity curve to a new model and as result judge hastily? 
Or am I the only fool who did such silly mistake?      :-)

Piano Concerto no. 2 I believe. Well played! I'm off to get the sheet music!

Hi,
I was hoping that somebody here in the forums could offer me some guidance. I have purchased Pianoteq but I am having extreme difficulty in getting it to sound like a real piano. I notice especially in the mid range (around middle c (C3 piano) that it sounds like a synthetic electric piano. I have tried playing around with the mic positions etc but to no avail (Not that I really know what I am doing here). I personally find the K1 piano very harsh and sounds strange in the base register. I am using an M-audio fast track external soundcard and a fast pc. When I listen to the youtube video of Hugh Sung playing Claire de Lune it actually sounds fantastic but I (As well as other users based on the youtube comments) have failed to get pianoteq to sound like this. Has anyone any suggestions please....Thanks in advance

Have you found the Files section of the forum, too? You'll find many fxp's there. You might find a demo mp3 there that you like and then download the fxp.

But I agree with sigasa that getting the velocity curve right for your keyboard is essential.

Good / bad sound comes very much from players fingers and fine nuances how he/she can balance for example chords and melodies. Listening to my students I am still amazed how different the same piano and even same song can sound when played by different students of different levels.

Good player like Hugh Sung can adapt his playing to get best out of some virtual instrument like PTQ. This is maybe mostly unconscious process. They don't only match their keyboards velocity to software - which is important of course - but also their own playing. I can for example see that when I improvise with PTQ, I play different things than when I play some other piano sound. With PTQ I tend to play higher notes and use more pedal; these are qualities that are IMO the best part of it. On the other hand I tend to avoid some musical things that aren't sounding that good (in lower area). Of course you cannot make these choices when you play written composition.

These are also things to keep in mind (and we've been speaking about them earlier): player usually wants to hear different piano sound than he likes to listen to from CD for example. I personally experienced this when choosing a Rhodes sound to my recording (MIDI track was already there): the sound which was working best in this musical situation was maybe the last one I'd like play with.

And finally also latency issues have an effect to perception of sound: piano "sounds" better when you can rid of latency.

Paul,

How does this midi file sound to you if you just let it play in the Standalone version? It sounds fine, here.  A little loud, and I might change the velocity\dynamics a little to give it a wider range of volumes, but the essential sound is good, here.

If the sound is bad for you, could you record it using the standalone version of PianoTq and then post an mp3 of it? (File\Export Wav file and then convert the wav file to mp3 in an audio program.) The Files section has a link at the top of this forum for posting.

Are you using the Standalone? Please do. It's a better way to test--with a sequencer or host in the middle, it can be hard to know what's going on--there can be additional velocity curves, etc that can be hard to find.

If you post the file, we can all listen to the same thing at once.

If the problem is more with the physical midi bar on your piano, could you record that? Are you set up with a mic or two? Don't worry about getting a great sound if the problem is just the velocity response. Again, though, it helps if we can all hear what you hear...

Paul/Jake

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...%20day.mp3

I made a demo mp3 using  the default 'moderately fast keyboard' curve in pianoteq.

.fxp to follow

Chris

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...20Paul.fxp

Paul, the above .fxp is only very slightly different to that use in the mp3 in my last post, but produces a better sound (I'd made the mistake of shifting the dynamics slider up to 60 instead of 54 which is the K1 default dynamics position). I corrected this in this .fxp.

I will post an mp3 with the correction next.

Chris

Paul,

I've just had a thought, can you change the sensitivity of the midi sensors installed in your grand piano? I mean, do you have options to choose 'hard, medium or soft touch'? If you can, Could you produce a midi file using the 'hard touch' option so that se can create a curve that is s shaped allowing for your playing style. One thing I notice in the midi file you posted is the leap in velocity at the beginning of the piece. It's not a fault in your playing.