Topic: Pha-4 standard in a wooden cabinet... experience

I like Roland FP-10 action but I don't like his plastic cabinet. So I made a wooden piano cabinet in witch I set the Pha-4 standard action of my FP-10, dimensions are close to kawai vpc1. I put all electronic and HP in my new piano, and I even added red felt on back of keys. Roland HP sound is a little better with wood than plastic but not good, so I use it as a midi keyboard with pianoteq and monitors or headphones.
Unfortunately I didn't succeed with the painting of cabinet, I'd like a gloss sensation but it is difficult to do.

Now I have to make again the stand... And I will imagine I play on a real piano.
https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/0d/LOUZ17mS_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/51/ca/pYhPrAFl_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/4d/12/1pXa4olJ_o.jpg

Last edited by YvesTh (24-02-2025 20:01)

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wow i for one am extremely impressed.  it looks really great.  i wish i could do something like this but don't have nearly the skills.

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YvesTh wrote:

I like Roland FP-10 action but I don't like his plastic cabinet. So I made a wooden piano cabinet in witch I set the Pha-4 standard action of my FP-10, dimensions are close to kawai vpc1. I put all electronic and HP in my new piano, and I even added red felt on back of keys. Roland HP sound is a little better with wood than plastic but not good, so I use it as a midi keyboard with pianoteq and monitors or headphones.
Unfortunately I didn't succeed with the painting of cabinet, I'd like a gloss sensation but it is difficult to do.

Now I have to make again the stand... And I will imagine I play on a real piano...

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Wow, your new case is fantastic... you are truly a wood artist....
I also agree with the very well deserved compliments for your Piano.
Carmelo

Re: Pha-4 standard in a wooden cabinet... experience

YvesTh wrote:

I like Roland FP-10 action but I don't like his plastic cabinet. So I made a wooden piano cabinet in witch I set the Pha-4 standard action of my FP-10, dimensions are close to kawai vpc1. I put all electronic and HP in my new piano, and I even added red felt on back of keys. Roland HP sound is a little better with wood than plastic but not good, so I use it as a midi keyboard with pianoteq and monitors or headphones.
Unfortunately I didn't succeed with the painting of cabinet, I'd like a gloss sensation but it is difficult to do.

Now I have to make again the stand... And I will imagine I play on a real piano.
https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/0d/LOUZ17mS_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/51/ca/pYhPrAFl_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/4d/12/1pXa4olJ_o.jpg

nice work . I can spot the audiofront adapter as well which is great device .

Re: Pha-4 standard in a wooden cabinet... experience

YvesTh wrote:

I like Roland FP-10 action but I don't like his plastic cabinet. So I made a wooden piano cabinet in witch I set the Pha-4 standard action of my FP-10, dimensions are close to kawai vpc1. I put all electronic and HP in my new piano, and I even added red felt on back of keys. Roland HP sound is a little better with wood than plastic but not good, so I use it as a midi keyboard with pianoteq and monitors or headphones.
Unfortunately I didn't succeed with the painting of cabinet, I'd like a gloss sensation but it is difficult to do.

Now I have to make again the stand... And I will imagine I play on a real piano.
https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/0d/LOUZ17mS_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/51/ca/pYhPrAFl_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/4d/12/1pXa4olJ_o.jpg

Well done Yves Th!

Warmest regards,

Chris

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Thanks for theses messages.
I'm very satisfied of the piano, it works very good. Audiofont associated with pedal Roland RPU-3 is very good.
I find the keyboard response even better than when it was in the FP-10, I think it is because the wooden action support is much rigid. It's seems quieter too.

Only the painting isn't what I'd hoped it would be, may be I will make it again.
Here is the 3D model of the finished piano :
I hope soon real...
https://images2.imgbox.com/3c/b3/RuPATqqC_o.jpg

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Nice work !

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And why not with pianoteq logo !...

https://images2.imgbox.com/43/f0/X99qtzNp_o.png

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Hello. Very nice piano-shell. Thanks for sharing.

I just bought a fp-10 too and Im doing something similar to your project. Im not building a shell. Im actually going to install the fp10 into a real upright. My old grandma's piano to be exact. Im in the process of removing everything inside the piano so that I can get more space and lower weight.

Then Im going to turn the soundboard into a huge panel speaker, and install an audio interface so that I can hook up my iPad to it and run pianoteq.

https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f7/b9/ZMQKM5Ps_t.jpg

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snurrfint wrote:

Hello. Very nice piano-shell. Thanks for sharing.

I just bought a fp-10 too and Im doing something similar to your project. Im not building a shell. Im actually going to install the fp10 into a real upright. My old grandma's piano to be exact. Im in the process of removing everything inside the piano so that I can get more space and lower weight.

Then Im going to turn the soundboard into a huge panel speaker, and install an audio interface so that I can hook up my iPad to it and run pianoteq.

https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f7/b9/ZMQKM5Ps_t.jpg

It's a great project, congratulations. Let us know how it progresses.
Like you I'd like to connect my piano to an iPad but I know absolutely nothing about iPads. I'd like to buy a second-hand iPad but which generation should I buy, wich year? I'd like to connect my midi keyboard, my USB interface and the Audiofront midi interface with a USB C hub. At the same time, I'd like the iPad to be powered by the mains. Do you know which iPad allows such a USB C connection?
Thanks

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YvesTh wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Hello. Very nice piano-shell. Thanks for sharing.

I just bought a fp-10 too and Im doing something similar to your project. Im not building a shell. Im actually going to install the fp10 into a real upright. My old grandma's piano to be exact. Im in the process of removing everything inside the piano so that I can get more space and lower weight.

Then Im going to turn the soundboard into a huge panel speaker, and install an audio interface so that I can hook up my iPad to it and run pianoteq.

https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f7/b9/ZMQKM5Ps_t.jpg

It's a great project, congratulations. Let us know how it progresses.
Like you I'd like to connect my piano to an iPad but I know absolutely nothing about iPads. I'd like to buy a second-hand iPad but which generation should I buy, wich year? I'd like to connect my midi keyboard, my USB interface and the Audiofront midi interface with a USB C hub. At the same time, I'd like the iPad to be powered by the mains. Do you know which iPad allows such a USB C connection?
Thanks

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Im using the iPad air M1. That one has a usb-c connector instead of lightning which is nice. But It doesn't matter to much as you can use a usb-c to lightning adapter to achieve the same results with basically any iPad. You can even use an iPhone.

I only use like 10% of the CPU with the M1 ipad Air so I doubt you will have no issues with performance even on an old iPad.

You can connect the ipad to a usb hub and then to an audio interface no problem. My yamaha CSP-170 which Im using at home does come with a built in audio interface so I only need one cable for connecting the ipad. The audio is sent back to the instrument and out throught the piano speakers, it even charges the ipad. I will attempt to achieve the same effect with this project.

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snurrfint wrote:
YvesTh wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Hello. Very nice piano-shell. Thanks for sharing.

I just bought a fp-10 too and Im doing something similar to your project. Im not building a shell. Im actually going to install the fp10 into a real upright. My old grandma's piano to be exact. Im in the process of removing everything inside the piano so that I can get more space and lower weight.

Then Im going to turn the soundboard into a huge panel speaker, and install an audio interface so that I can hook up my iPad to it and run pianoteq.

https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f7/b9/ZMQKM5Ps_t.jpg

It's a great project, congratulations. Let us know how it progresses.
Like you I'd like to connect my piano to an iPad but I know absolutely nothing about iPads. I'd like to buy a second-hand iPad but which generation should I buy, wich year? I'd like to connect my midi keyboard, my USB interface and the Audiofront midi interface with a USB C hub. At the same time, I'd like the iPad to be powered by the mains. Do you know which iPad allows such a USB C connection?
Thanks

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Im using the iPad air M1. That one has a usb-c connector instead of lightning which is nice. But It doesn't matter to much as you can use a usb-c to lightning adapter to achieve the same results with basically any iPad. You can even use an iPhone.

I only use like 10% of the CPU with the M1 ipad Air so I doubt you will have no issues with performance even on an old iPad.

You can connect the ipad to a usb hub and then to an audio interface no problem. My yamaha CSP-170 which Im using at home does come with a built in audio interface so I only need one cable for connecting the ipad. The audio is sent back to the instrument and out throught the piano speakers, it even charges the ipad. I will attempt to achieve the same effect with this project.

Thank you very much for the information... If I've understood correctly, your iPad would be from 2022 and 5th generation. And mains power can therefore be supplied via the usb hub. This model for exemple : https://www.backmarket.fr/fr-fr/p/ipad-...7198?l=11#

Last edited by YvesTh (03-03-2025 13:57)

Re: Pha-4 standard in a wooden cabinet... experience

YvesTh wrote:
snurrfint wrote:
YvesTh wrote:

It's a great project, congratulations. Let us know how it progresses.
Like you I'd like to connect my piano to an iPad but I know absolutely nothing about iPads. I'd like to buy a second-hand iPad but which generation should I buy, wich year? I'd like to connect my midi keyboard, my USB interface and the Audiofront midi interface with a USB C hub. At the same time, I'd like the iPad to be powered by the mains. Do you know which iPad allows such a USB C connection?
Thanks

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Im using the iPad air M1. That one has a usb-c connector instead of lightning which is nice. But It doesn't matter to much as you can use a usb-c to lightning adapter to achieve the same results with basically any iPad. You can even use an iPhone.

I only use like 10% of the CPU with the M1 ipad Air so I doubt you will have no issues with performance even on an old iPad.

You can connect the ipad to a usb hub and then to an audio interface no problem. My yamaha CSP-170 which Im using at home does come with a built in audio interface so I only need one cable for connecting the ipad. The audio is sent back to the instrument and out throught the piano speakers, it even charges the ipad. I will attempt to achieve the same effect with this project.

Thank you very much for the information... If I've understood correctly, your iPad would be from 2022 and 5th generation. And mains power can therefore be supplied via the usb hub. This model for exemple : https://www.backmarket.fr/fr-fr/p/ipad-...7198?l=11#

Thats the one I use yes. And thats a pretty good price. You dont need all that power for pianoteq. But this one will last longer and you can also run other things such as Garageband and Logic pro and pretty powerful synthezisers such as Audio Kit Synth One. Also, if there ever is a really good sampled piano coming to iPad at a later time, you might need the power, who knows.

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https://images2.imgbox.com/73/5c/AaZRn0HN_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/4c/vpTac262_o.jpg
My piano (Wooden-FP10-Pianoteq) is nearly finished. It works well with my new Ipad air 2022. Thank you Snurrfint for your advice

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YvesTh wrote:

https://images2.imgbox.com/73/5c/AaZRn0HN_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/4c/vpTac262_o.jpg
My piano (Wooden-FP10-Pianoteq) is nearly finished. It works well with my new Ipad air 2022. Thank you Snurrfint for your advice

So well done, Yves Th. Impressive.

Happy playing,

Warmest regards,

Chris

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An assessment after a few days' use.

I hated Apple products until now, but I have to admit that using pianoteq with an iPad is perfect. Instant start-up and absolute silence (no fan noise).
The position of the monitors under the piano is not ideal but I have space tout put them on the piano.

I would like to put the pianoteq logo above the keyboard (like on picture). Does Modartt have ‘pianoteq’ logo stickers? With golden letters! I'd love it...

Another request is for more user-friendly navigation between favourites on the touch screen (mosaic preset, for example).

Favorites mosaic suggestion :
https://images2.imgbox.com/cb/92/xDjXGEaQ_o.jpg

Last edited by YvesTh (20-03-2025 14:14)

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Your pedal and cross bracing assembly is really nice.

Lanny