Topic: MP11SE setup

Hello fellow MP11SE users. What kind of setup are you using with Pianoteq? Are you using some kind of midimapper (Velpro) or something between keyboard and Pianoteq or some third party program as eq? Do you use a separate hardware like eq or compressor between DAC and monitors? As you guessed my problem is underwhelming sound quality with studio monitors.

Headphones are pretty much decent but sound with monitors is "boxy" and thin or boomy with bass.

My aim is to have sound quality close to those in Youtube review videos.

BR
Kimmo

Re: MP11SE setup

I have a MP11 (the older model, without "SE"). My setup is as follows:
MP11 DIN5 MIDI OUT -----> Behringer UMC204HD DIN5 MIDI IN
UMC204HD USB  -----------> Laptop (13" HP X360, Ryzen 5800U)
UMC204HD OUT 1&2 -----> Berhinger STUDIO 50USB speakers
UMC204HD phones --------> Sony MDR V700

My sound interface, headphones and speakers are not the best, but the way they sound depends to a great extent on the way piano is played.
I use no extra components, and since I live in a apartment building, I just use those cheap speakers. I have another generic Chinese studio monitor with better sound, but at low levels, the difference is not that big, and I can put the small speakers on the piano (I added felt pads to them).
I guess that Yamaha, Roland, KRK, etc. would give better sound.

Re: MP11SE setup

hardware wise I usually go with this: mp11se - usb - pc(pianoteq standalone) - rme hdsp9632 - JDL Atom amp - sennheiser hd600.

I have tested multiple variants, the latency is lowest in this setup, with the total latency of ~3.4ms compared to internal sound. 5-pin midi unfortunately has 32.125kbaud limit, which adds a lot to latency and jitter.

Otherwise I use reaper for additional processing. I always have some gripe with pianoteq's default sound as they are too dark and muddy to my ears. One thing is it's designed to reproduce unmodified live sound of the acoustic but it's even darker than that. Most recordings especially pop on the other hand has very bright sound. For a clean sound and headphone monitoring I choose the basic preset (model D, 290VC etc, i.e. no-adjective preset) and binaural and turn off all effects except EQ. For recording I opt for close mic setup and do additional processing with external reverb and comps. If you feels that it sounds decent in headphone it is probably fine in recording, given that you have decent headphone, whilst the problem lies with the monitoring since there are a lot more variables with monitors, such as frequency profile, placement, directivity and room modes.

You can start with adjusting the mic setup. The aim for monitoring to "play like real acoustic" and "play like recording" are very different. Lots of presets are for the former and you could have selected one of these but the monitor is not up for this task. Presets for recording are easier to analyze and can utilize reference recording for this task. e.g. using fabfilter Q to match the frequency profile of pianoteq to a recording. But adjust the mic first. I feel Pianoteq sound has tendency of weak central image and lackluster spatial definition. So for speakers a clean solid source sound is crucial, this can be helped with narrower stereo width. Add a tiny bit of delay and plate reverb using high quality external plugins to recreate the spatial aspect. Additionally you can separate the close mic and remote mic output and send them to different processing chains and add delays and reverbs accordingly.

I don't use Velpro but a custom jsfx to calibrate the per-key velocities using data from key presses. The mp11se has a lot of variability in key responses and it can be calibrated to as even as possible. But it also makes the touch a little bit odd, like losing a tiny bit of connection between the physical idiosyncrasies and the aural one, so that finger control is a bit reduced.